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Post by ede on Nov 22, 2023 21:05:51 GMT -5
Drew did a good job, but we need a PG real bad. Peterson is what might have been
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Post by vikesfan on Nov 22, 2023 21:09:51 GMT -5
Tae Williams has to be better for this team to be a factor. Vikes won ugly tonight and lost to EMU and he’s 8/31 in those games…
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Post by posterformerlyknownasthedoctor on Nov 22, 2023 21:13:35 GMT -5
Good game. You all really cranked up the D the second half, and Enaruna is for sure the truth; high-level talent. Bucs kept trying to give it away - and finally succeeded. Not to take anything away from the Vikings, who were also doing their best to give it away at the FT line.
p.s. - the game announcers used for this broadcast are better than most in the mid-major world.
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Post by gbanks on Nov 22, 2023 21:13:47 GMT -5
Enaruna saved the game tonight. Frankly he needs to do that more often. ETSU defense was great and their 3s were falling.
These last 2 games, our offense does not look any better than last year.
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Post by gbanks on Nov 22, 2023 21:18:58 GMT -5
Tae Williams has to be better for this team to be a factor. Vikes won ugly tonight and lost to EMU and he’s 8/31 in those games… If it's not a fast break or an open lane he shoud pass the ball. |
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Post by gbanks on Nov 22, 2023 21:22:47 GMT -5
FREE THROWS FREE THROWS FREE THROWS That would be a depressing pratice drill. Close your eyes and image the ball constantly clanking off the rim. |
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Post by ede on Nov 22, 2023 21:23:09 GMT -5
Tae Williams has to be better for this team to be a factor. Vikes won ugly tonight and lost to EMU and he’s 8/31 in those games… If it's not a fast break or an open lane he shoud pass the ball. Williams is the key here. Tristan put the team on his back. |
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Post by azvike83 on Nov 22, 2023 21:32:14 GMT -5
This was a “growth game” for our team. Quality win. Tae will figure it out and gotta do better at the line.Tristan is crazy good…
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Post by gbanks on Nov 22, 2023 21:44:56 GMT -5
If it's not a fast break or an open lane he shoud pass the ball. Williams is the key here. Tristan put the team on his back. Tristan played an great game. He was clutch. I'm not sure what you are expecting of Williams. He is a great athlete. I like his defense. Can hit a jump shot? Reminds of the Cavs Isaac Okoro. |
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Post by theonetheonly on Nov 22, 2023 21:48:30 GMT -5
We should have won by 15-20. Their board is delusional they thought they were the better team. We have had our free throw issue games before but I don’t remember a game we missed so many layups.
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Post by gbanks on Nov 22, 2023 22:01:52 GMT -5
We should have won by 15-20. Their board is delusional they thought they were the better team. We have had our free throw issue games before but I don’t remember a game we missed so many layups. ETSU played a great game tonight. It was pure will and a lot of luck the Vikes pulled it out. The Vikes offense has been bad the last 2 games. We should avoid scheduling games with teams that have "EAST" as part of their names. |
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Post by why4 on Nov 22, 2023 22:41:22 GMT -5
Watching this game… Quimari Peterson is what the Vikes need at PG, real shame we didn’t get him was thinking the same, and Robinson watching him play has to be saying "Oh what could have been. On a good note, this is the Tristan we've been waiting for. The others need to step up. Are you serious or smoking? The PG that went 3-13 with 2 assist and SIX turnovers? Stop it! Check the stat lines again and then give me Lowder’s. He didn't start out hot, but hit some big ones when we needed them. He didn’t miss a layup tonight…and I think he’s got 3 turnovers ALL SEASON. |
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Post by frankiemeatballs on Nov 23, 2023 7:13:40 GMT -5
Curious from people there… how is the atmosphere at Woodling? It wasn’t bad. People took advantage of the old bleachers to make noise. The video board in Woodling is better than anything at the Wolstein. They showed some old 80’s highlights from games at Woodling. They also had player intros in the throwback uniforms. The hype man was there and tries his best to get people excited. The crowd was pretty typical in that it wasn’t bringing a ton of energy early but as the game was close down the stretch, people started really getting into it. ETSU brought a couple dozen people who were having fun. I saw Mouse McFadden and a handful of former CSU players of that era who came back for the game in Woodling. |
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Post by frankiemeatballs on Nov 23, 2023 7:30:34 GMT -5
I have no idea how they’ll finish but I thought ETSU looked like a good team. They were strong, athletic and they could shoot. I’m not sure what changed with us, or if they were good at exploiting something in the scouting report, but we gave up more easy layups than any other game under Robinson than I can remember. It looked like we were doubling at certain times and failing to rotate to cover the open man who was diving straight to the basket every time. They also hit a few well-executed back cuts for easy scores. I think we missed Debrick big time as our only true rim protector, but also there’s an adjustment in scheme that needs to be made from yesterday’s game plan or we’ll see opposing coaches look to exploit it again.
Enaruna is really good. In his time at CSU, I literally have not seen an opposing player that can match up with him. He’s able to post up smaller players and drive past bigger players. He’s right handed but prefers driving left. He can hit the midrange and the step back. When his three point shot is on like last night, he’s unguardable. Still only 17 shots though. I think we need to run the offense through him at all times and he should average 20+ attempts.
I know there’s some discussion around Lowder at PG. I think he’s doing an adequate job and I can live with him there. I think Coach Robinson has done a nice job throwing change ups, like having Williams bring the ball up against the 3 or 4 and then passing to Lowder to get into a half court set, or Lowder bringing it up and passing to Enaruna for a clear out.
To me, the bigger problem is backup PG. Chase Robinson has shown some scoring ability, but he’s really struggled at times with turn overs and getting us into sets. There was a lineup out there yesterday without Enaruna or Williams with Robinson at PG and I had no idea how we were going to score. I’m not sure what’s going on with TJ Moss, but I’d love for him to come back and just be a solid second PG who can take care of the ball and facilitate. That would give us such a weapon for late game mix-matching where you could play an offensive lineup 2-5 of Lowder, Woodrich, Williams and Enaruna.
Shout out to Pryor and Rice. Both brought intensity to the defensive end after a lackluster start and each contributed their best minutes of the season. I think we lose this game without them.
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Post by ede on Nov 23, 2023 12:57:38 GMT -5
We need a PG bad,this is an good team,but we're a PG away from being an elite one. So confused how Young fits into this, why the red shirt. Debrick was missed,and the big from Africa has been a non factor. Tevin and Smith don't seem to be PG material,more off the ball,so Lowder is the best option we have. Williams wasn't Williams last night,but he'll come back strong I feel.if he'd played the way he's capable we when by 10-15. Same with EMU. Goodrich was in a mini slump too,it happens, I see them refocusing and playing well the rest of the season. It was painful watching Peterson play. We were soooo close to landing him.
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Post by why4 on Nov 23, 2023 14:47:58 GMT -5
We need a PG bad,this is an good team,but we're a PG away from being an elite one. So confused how Young fits into this, why the red shirt. Debrick was missed,and the big from Africa has been a non factor. Tevin and Smith don't seem to be PG material,more off the ball,so Lowder is the best option we have. Williams wasn't Williams last night,but he'll come back strong I feel.if he'd played the way he's capable we when by 10-15. Same with EMU. Goodrich was in a mini slump too,it happens, I see them refocusing and playing well the rest of the season. It was painful watching Peterson play. We were soooo close to landing him. What do you want a PG to do? Lowder has a 5.3-1 Assist to Turnover ratio (and it would be higher if we’d make some doggone layups). Last year he was told to “get in where you fit in” and this year he’s being told to be a leader. Watch his interactions with Tae and TE as he tries to keep them engaged on both ends. Then watch how he encourages Dylan, Tevin and Jalin. We all know he wants to hunt, he’s a scorer and has a scorer’s mentality, but he’s trying to run the team, keep everyone involved and then figure out how to or when to go get his. Yeah, he’s got to get better defensively, but that can be said about the entire team, but if we need a big shot…who do you want taking it? Tae? TE? Or Drew? The fact that’s it’s even debatable between TE and Drew says something because TE is probably a pro. If you need BOTH free throws down the stretch, who do you want at the line? My bad, dumb question…Drew. Hands down. We don’t need a PG, we need someone to run the team when Drew moves over to the 2 or is out. Robinson is doing ok, but where the heck is Moss? Your affinity for a kid on the other team that didn’t have nearly the impact that your clearly undesirable PG did is puzzling. However, you also stated that this PG would be better off as the sixth or even seventh man this year. 😂😂😂 For the record… His name is Dok…not the Big from Africa. |
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Post by cliffdawg on Nov 23, 2023 14:50:40 GMT -5
Of all the problems I’m seeing early in the season they must improve on is when they go double a player who has the ball it seems like there is a wide open man under the basket is unguarded because the Defense does not rotate. They have to improve that immediately.. They give up about 10/16 points a game because of that.
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Post by why4 on Nov 23, 2023 14:52:00 GMT -5
Of all the problems I’m seeing early in the season they must improve on is when they go double a player who has the ball it seems like there is a wide open man under the basket is unguarded because the Defense does not rotate. They have to improve that immediately.. They give up about 10/16 points a game because of that. Every single game. Backside rotation is always a step or two late. |
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Post by ede on Nov 23, 2023 15:51:58 GMT -5
We need a PG bad,this is an good team,but we're a PG away from being an elite one. So confused how Young fits into this, why the red shirt. Debrick was missed,and the big from Africa has been a non factor. Tevin and Smith don't seem to be PG material,more off the ball,so Lowder is the best option we have. Williams wasn't Williams last night,but he'll come back strong I feel.if he'd played the way he's capable we when by 10-15. Same with EMU. Goodrich was in a mini slump too,it happens, I see them refocusing and playing well the rest of the season. It was painful watching Peterson play. We were soooo close to landing him. What do you want a PG to do? Lowder has a 5.3-1 Assist to Turnover ratio (and it would be higher if we’d make some doggone layups). Last year he was told to “get in where you fit in” and this year he’s being told to be a leader. Watch his interactions with Tae and TE as he tries to keep them engaged on both ends. Then watch how he encourages Dylan, Tevin and Jalin. We all know he wants to hunt, he’s a scorer and has a scorer’s mentality, but he’s trying to run the team, keep everyone involved and then figure out how to or when to go get his. Yeah, he’s got to get better defensively, but that can be said about the entire team, but if we need a big shot…who do you want taking it? Tae? TE? Or Drew? The fact that’s it’s even debatable between TE and Drew says something because TE is probably a pro. If you need BOTH free throws down the stretch, who do you want at the line? My bad, dumb question…Drew. Hands down. We don’t need a PG, we need someone to run the team when Drew moves over to the 2 or is out. Robinson is doing ok, but where the heck is Moss? Your affinity for a kid on the other team that didn’t have nearly the impact that your clearly undesirable PG did is puzzling. However, you also stated that this PG would be better off as the sixth or even seventh man this year. 😂😂😂 For the record… His name is Dok…not the Big from Africa. couldn't recall his name,wasn't trying to be disrespectful. And Drew is serviceable. But not a true PG. |
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Post by why4 on Nov 23, 2023 17:54:58 GMT -5
What do you want a PG to do? Lowder has a 5.3-1 Assist to Turnover ratio (and it would be higher if we’d make some doggone layups). Last year he was told to “get in where you fit in” and this year he’s being told to be a leader. Watch his interactions with Tae and TE as he tries to keep them engaged on both ends. Then watch how he encourages Dylan, Tevin and Jalin. We all know he wants to hunt, he’s a scorer and has a scorer’s mentality, but he’s trying to run the team, keep everyone involved and then figure out how to or when to go get his. Yeah, he’s got to get better defensively, but that can be said about the entire team, but if we need a big shot…who do you want taking it? Tae? TE? Or Drew? The fact that’s it’s even debatable between TE and Drew says something because TE is probably a pro. If you need BOTH free throws down the stretch, who do you want at the line? My bad, dumb question…Drew. Hands down. We don’t need a PG, we need someone to run the team when Drew moves over to the 2 or is out. Robinson is doing ok, but where the heck is Moss? Your affinity for a kid on the other team that didn’t have nearly the impact that your clearly undesirable PG did is puzzling. However, you also stated that this PG would be better off as the sixth or even seventh man this year. 😂😂😂 For the record… His name is Dok…not the Big from Africa. couldn't recall his name,wasn't trying to be disrespectful. And Drew is serviceable. But not a true PG. While not a “true PG” he’s clearly the best option we have. My point was people coveting their PG and Drew is better than him… |
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Post by ede on Nov 23, 2023 20:05:04 GMT -5
couldn't recall his name,wasn't trying to be disrespectful. And Drew is serviceable. But not a true PG. While not a “true PG” he’s clearly the best option we have. My point was people coveting their PG and Drew is better than him… He still would be a good PG in Robinsons system, and he would agree. Know why? He recruited the hell out of him. It was down to ETSU,CSU,an another school. |
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Post by why4 on Nov 24, 2023 8:35:00 GMT -5
While not a “true PG” he’s clearly the best option we have. My point was people coveting their PG and Drew is better than him… He still would be a good PG in Robinsons system, and he would agree. Know why? He recruited the hell out of him. It was down to ETSU,CSU,an another school. Again, missing my point (maybe I need a better PG too, get it). Anyway, my challenge, one more time, is that we have folks coveting and talking up a PG that was outplayed by the one we currently have. WHY are we doing that 4? For that matter, how much better is he than Chase? Statistically, Chase has better numbers per 40. Last time…if you’re looking for a better PG, he’s not it. |
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Post by frankiemeatballs on Nov 24, 2023 12:08:01 GMT -5
We need a PG bad,this is an good team,but we're a PG away from being an elite one. So confused how Young fits into this, why the red shirt. Debrick was missed,and the big from Africa has been a non factor. Tevin and Smith don't seem to be PG material,more off the ball,so Lowder is the best option we have. Williams wasn't Williams last night,but he'll come back strong I feel.if he'd played the way he's capable we when by 10-15. Same with EMU. Goodrich was in a mini slump too,it happens, I see them refocusing and playing well the rest of the season. It was painful watching Peterson play. We were soooo close to landing him. What do you want a PG to do? Lowder has a 5.3-1 Assist to Turnover ratio (and it would be higher if we’d make some doggone layups). Last year he was told to “get in where you fit in” and this year he’s being told to be a leader. Watch his interactions with Tae and TE as he tries to keep them engaged on both ends. Then watch how he encourages Dylan, Tevin and Jalin. We all know he wants to hunt, he’s a scorer and has a scorer’s mentality, but he’s trying to run the team, keep everyone involved and then figure out how to or when to go get his. Yeah, he’s got to get better defensively, but that can be said about the entire team, but if we need a big shot…who do you want taking it? Tae? TE? Or Drew? The fact that’s it’s even debatable between TE and Drew says something because TE is probably a pro. If you need BOTH free throws down the stretch, who do you want at the line? My bad, dumb question…Drew. Hands down. We don’t need a PG, we need someone to run the team when Drew moves over to the 2 or is out. Robinson is doing ok, but where the heck is Moss? Your affinity for a kid on the other team that didn’t have nearly the impact that your clearly undesirable PG did is puzzling. However, you also stated that this PG would be better off as the sixth or even seventh man this year. 😂😂😂 For the record… His name is Dok…not the Big from Africa. You brought a lot of good stuff in this post. I generally agree on Lowder. Although maybe not a “true” PG, and although he may be better off the ball, he’s handling the PG duties well enough. Just because a player is better at one position doesn’t mean they can’t be good enough to start at a different position. My biggest issue so far has been his defense. He has a tendency to reach, which has led to a lot of bad fouls, and it leaves him off balance and susceptible to being beat. Against ETSU he was beaten multiple times and it broke down our defense leading to easy layups and free throws. CSU ended up switching and putting Tae on the PG to stop the penetration. That’s not an uncorrectable flaw though. He’s athletic enough to be a good defender and the effort is there. It’s just about fundamentals and decision making. I think it’s possible based on the improvement we’ve seen and read about in the rest of his game that he can become a consistently good defender by year’s end. My issue has been backup PG. Chase is playing hard and he’s shown the ability to score. But he has 2 assists to 7 turnovers against D1 teams and I don’t think his defense has been good enough to overcome that. We need a stable point guard for the second unit and so we’d have the option to play Lowder more off the ball whenever we wanted. |
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Post by ede on Nov 24, 2023 17:45:51 GMT -5
So basically what ur saying, we need another PG. Backup or otherwise. Drew is and ok PG,but we need a natural PG, a true one,will we make it through the year with Drew,yes.
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Post by why4 on Nov 25, 2023 10:41:42 GMT -5
What do you want a PG to do? Lowder has a 5.3-1 Assist to Turnover ratio (and it would be higher if we’d make some doggone layups). Last year he was told to “get in where you fit in” and this year he’s being told to be a leader. Watch his interactions with Tae and TE as he tries to keep them engaged on both ends. Then watch how he encourages Dylan, Tevin and Jalin. We all know he wants to hunt, he’s a scorer and has a scorer’s mentality, but he’s trying to run the team, keep everyone involved and then figure out how to or when to go get his. Yeah, he’s got to get better defensively, but that can be said about the entire team, but if we need a big shot…who do you want taking it? Tae? TE? Or Drew? The fact that’s it’s even debatable between TE and Drew says something because TE is probably a pro. If you need BOTH free throws down the stretch, who do you want at the line? My bad, dumb question…Drew. Hands down. We don’t need a PG, we need someone to run the team when Drew moves over to the 2 or is out. Robinson is doing ok, but where the heck is Moss? Your affinity for a kid on the other team that didn’t have nearly the impact that your clearly undesirable PG did is puzzling. However, you also stated that this PG would be better off as the sixth or even seventh man this year. 😂😂😂 For the record… His name is Dok…not the Big from Africa. You brought a lot of good stuff in this post. I generally agree on Lowder. Although maybe not a “true” PG, and although he may be better off the ball, he’s handling the PG duties well enough. Just because a player is better at one position doesn’t mean they can’t be good enough to start at a different position. My biggest issue so far has been his defense. He has a tendency to reach, which has led to a lot of bad fouls, and it leaves him off balance and susceptible to being beat. Against ETSU he was beaten multiple times and it broke down our defense leading to easy layups and free throws. CSU ended up switching and putting Tae on the PG to stop the penetration. That’s not an uncorrectable flaw though. He’s athletic enough to be a good defender and the effort is there. It’s just about fundamentals and decision making. I think it’s possible based on the improvement we’ve seen and read about in the rest of his game that he can become a consistently good defender by year’s end. My issue has been backup PG. Chase is playing hard and he’s shown the ability to score. But he has 2 assists to 7 turnovers against D1 teams and I don’t think his defense has been good enough to overcome that. We need a stable point guard for the second unit and so we’d have the option to play Lowder more off the ball whenever we wanted. I would encourage you to watch the game again. I did last night after reading your post. (I was also very bored at work). Lowder didn’t get beat often. However, he did give up one coast to coast layup. I think they would be better served not having him guard 94 feet on the opposing PG. That wears him and Tae down. Especially when he’s literally one of two players that can create his own shot (especially at the end of the shot clock which we are starting to see again…ugh). Their defensive philosophy from what I think I see, is to force the ball baseline if it’s caught on the wing, then there’s a double with the rotating big. When that big comes to set the trap, the backside wing should rotate down…THAT PERSON IS LATE ALMOST EVERY TIME! Thats got to be addressed because it’s at minimum, 12-14 points a game. I would love to see Lowder off the ball more as well, but who takes over? Tae has been used as a pseudo PG because he can usually blow past his man and then the defense should be forced to rotate over and that should leave Lowder and Woody open on spot up 3’s. He did that the first few games and things were more balanced. I think he’s gotta let go of the spin move into the paint too. It looks really cool when it works, but again, check the numbers. It’s led to more turnovers than points. Maybe we start Woody and bring Tevin off the bench to run the point? That would allow Lowder to start as a facilitator, (hopefully force feeding Tristan to get him going earlier in games) and then move over so he can hunt more and be the primary scorer when TE is out. I am amazed (and irritated)by the fact that they don’t automatically give the ball to Lowder or TE when the shot clock is at 10. That deep into the clock, you gotta give it to them and get out of the way. But today is a new day…Let’s Go Vikes. |
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