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Post by gbanks on Jan 28, 2023 14:08:06 GMT -5
The Jaguars find their way to the shores of lake Erie.
Wolstein Center
3:00 PM, January 29, 2023
Coverage: ESPN+
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Post by why4 on Jan 29, 2023 11:26:02 GMT -5
Let’s not have this one be close. Get them down, hold them down and get everybody some PT today!
Let Go Vikes!!!
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Post by vikesfan on Jan 29, 2023 14:44:01 GMT -5
Let’s not have this one be close. Get them down, hold them down and get everybody some PT today! Let Go Vikes!!! Agreed! And great to see new members on the board. |
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Post by ede on Jan 29, 2023 17:03:13 GMT -5
Even though they won, I didn't like this game, how do you let the worse team in the league if not all college bb come back from a 20 point lead.
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Post by frankiemeatballs on Jan 29, 2023 17:23:37 GMT -5
I subscribe to the “a wins a win” philosophy. Players aren’t robots and this isn’t a video game. After jumping out to such a big lead early, it’s hard to keep the focus/execution where it needs to be.
Also, Robinson had a plan to play his starters less and to play more guys on the bench. Only one starter logged 30 minutes and 7 bench players logged at least 5 minutes. Both are unusual this year. It worked until the last 5 minutes when they hit a few 3s and he had to play the starters an extra few minutes.
After this weekend, we’re in a 4-way tie for 1st and 2 games ahead of the 5th team. There’s a lot to be excited about.
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Post by gbanks on Jan 29, 2023 17:25:23 GMT -5
Good to see the Vikes provide minutes to the 2nd unit. Giving up 40 points in the 2nd half is very disappointing. At the end of the day, it's a W.
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Post by henrymuto on Jan 29, 2023 18:07:04 GMT -5
6 point win at home vs 3 win team when favored by 17 pts doesn't exactly instill confidence.
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Post by why4 on Jan 29, 2023 18:16:34 GMT -5
Good to see the Vikes provide minutes to the 2nd unit. Giving up 40 points in the 2nd half is very disappointing. At the end of the day, it's a W. They’ll be down to a 7 or 8 man rotation by HL tournament time. |
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Post by ede on Jan 29, 2023 18:51:48 GMT -5
6 point win at home vs 3 win team when favored by 17 pts doesn't exactly instill confidence. exactly they did this against NKU and Milwaukee and both games were a lost. These offensive dry spells will not fly against the better teams. |
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Post by frankiemeatballs on Jan 29, 2023 19:52:34 GMT -5
6 point win at home vs 3 win team when favored by 17 pts doesn't exactly instill confidence. exactly they did this against NKU and Milwaukee and both games were a lost. These offensive dry spells will not fly against the better teams. It’s flown against every team we’ve played in the conference except YSU. We’re 9-3 and lost 2 of those games because of last second shots. We’re literally inches from being 11-1 and running away with the conference. |
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Post by frankiemeatballs on Jan 29, 2023 19:59:31 GMT -5
We had this conversation last year. For a program that’s had losing seasons about 60% of it’s existence, I’ll never take being in the hunt for granted. I don’t care if we beat the worst team in the nation by 1 point. It’s better than losing. It wasn’t long ago we *were* one of the bottom few teams in the nation.
I don’t understand bitching about a win when we’re clearly in the top 4 with a realistic shot to win our 3rd straight regular season championship. You know how many times that’s happened in program history? Zero.
Not to mention, anybody who actually watched todays game saw that we were in complete control the entire time. We didn’t trail a single second all weekend. Today we had lineups playing long stretches together that had never been seen before. And we were still in control. IUPUI hit back-to-back 3s late to cut it to 4 and we immediately scored 4 straight to end any threat. This game was over after the first 90 seconds and everyone watching in person or on tv knew it.
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Post by ede on Jan 29, 2023 20:33:57 GMT -5
We had this conversation last year. For a program that’s had losing seasons about 60% of it’s existence, I’ll never take being in the hunt for granted. I don’t care if we beat the worst team in the nation by 1 point. It’s better than losing. It wasn’t long ago we *were* one of the bottom few teams in the nation. I don’t understand bitching about a win when we’re clearly in the top 4 with a realistic shot to win our 3rd straight regular season championship. You know how many times that’s happened in program history? Zero. Not to mention, anybody who actually watched todays game saw that we were in complete control the entire time. We didn’t trail a single second all weekend. Today we had lineups playing long stretches together that had never been seen before. And we were still in control. IUPUI hit back-to-back 3s late to cut it to 4 and we immediately scored 4 straight to end any threat. This game was over after the first 90 seconds and everyone watching in person or on tv knew it. my point was we lost those two games, and we can lose again to the better teams YSU/Mil/NKU/ if we struggle offensively. But yes, it's a W. |
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Post by ede on Jan 29, 2023 20:39:01 GMT -5
We had this conversation last year. For a program that’s had losing seasons about 60% of it’s existence, I’ll never take being in the hunt for granted. I don’t care if we beat the worst team in the nation by 1 point. It’s better than losing. It wasn’t long ago we *were* one of the bottom few teams in the nation. I don’t understand bitching about a win when we’re clearly in the top 4 with a realistic shot to win our 3rd straight regular season championship. You know how many times that’s happened in program history? Zero. Not to mention, anybody who actually watched todays game saw that we were in complete control the entire time. We didn’t trail a single second all weekend. Today we had lineups playing long stretches together that had never been seen before. And we were still in control. IUPUI hit back-to-back 3s late to cut it to 4 and we immediately scored 4 straight to end any threat. This game was over after the first 90 seconds and everyone watching in person or on tv knew it. my point was we lost those two games, and we can lose again to the better teams YSU/Mil/NKU/ if we struggle offensively. But yes, it's a W. Because with winning comes higher standards and expectations |
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Post by frankiemeatballs on Jan 29, 2023 20:46:58 GMT -5
my point was we lost those two games, and we can lose again to the better teams YSU/Mil/NKU/ if we struggle offensively. But yes, it's a W. Because with winning comes higher standards and expectations I just don’t think we’ve earned that yet. We’re not a Butler when they were in the HL. Hell, we’re not even WSU or NKU who expect to win the conference each year. We’re one bad class or coaching change away from the Mike Garland/Dennis Felton years. If Robinson hangs a couple more banners and we follow his departure with another good hire, I’ll start to have expectations. |
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Post by frankiemeatballs on Jan 29, 2023 20:49:12 GMT -5
We had this conversation last year. For a program that’s had losing seasons about 60% of it’s existence, I’ll never take being in the hunt for granted. I don’t care if we beat the worst team in the nation by 1 point. It’s better than losing. It wasn’t long ago we *were* one of the bottom few teams in the nation. I don’t understand bitching about a win when we’re clearly in the top 4 with a realistic shot to win our 3rd straight regular season championship. You know how many times that’s happened in program history? Zero. Not to mention, anybody who actually watched todays game saw that we were in complete control the entire time. We didn’t trail a single second all weekend. Today we had lineups playing long stretches together that had never been seen before. And we were still in control. IUPUI hit back-to-back 3s late to cut it to 4 and we immediately scored 4 straight to end any threat. This game was over after the first 90 seconds and everyone watching in person or on tv knew it. my point was we lost those two games, and we can lose again to the better teams YSU/Mil/NKU/ if we struggle offensively. But yes, it's a W. When’s the last time a team went unbeaten in the Horizon League? The champion almost always has 4-5 losses. Like I said, this isn’t a video game. You win some you should lose and you lose some you should win. Hopefully at the end you’re playing for a championship. This team has positioned themselves there so far this year. |
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Post by vikesfan on Jan 29, 2023 21:16:54 GMT -5
IUPUI has hung around some games this year. And we dominated most of the game, sure it sucks we let them come back, but we played a lot of players a lot of minutes and starters didn’t shoulder a heavy load today from a minutes perspective. Just last week IUPUI took Oakland to OT. A win is a win.
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Post by csuvikings2014 on Jan 29, 2023 22:42:17 GMT -5
6 point win at home vs 3 win team when favored by 17 pts doesn't exactly instill confidence. Did you watch the game? CSU never trailed. The bench guys got bigger minutes today than normal, especially after they got up by 20 with 14 minutes or so left. That's exactly how you're supposed to use a game against a team like IUPUI. Jarrard got hot late and brought IUPUI close, and then CSU hit a couple of shots down the stretch to put it away. You're 12 games into a 20-game conference season and you're tied for first place, winning 6 out of your last 7. No wins were lucky and two of the losses were about as unlucky as you could get. I don't see how you can moan about a win today. |
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Post by Admin on Jan 29, 2023 23:27:59 GMT -5
When’s the last time a team went unbeaten in the Horizon League? The champion almost always has 4-5 losses. The last Horizon League team to "run the table" in Horizon League play was Butler in the 2009-2010 season when they went 18-0, and famously went on to the national championship game in the NCAA tournament and lost by 1 point in the national championship game on a half court shot by Gordon Hayward that missed going in by inches. Only two times since that Butler team has the conference champion won the regular season title with as little as 2 losses - Green Bay in 2013-2014 and Valparaiso in 2015-2016. |
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Post by frankiemeatballs on Jan 30, 2023 4:10:31 GMT -5
When’s the last time a team went unbeaten in the Horizon League? The champion almost always has 4-5 losses. The last Horizon League team to "run the table" in Horizon League play was Butler in the 2009-2010 season when they went 18-0, and famously went on to the national championship game in the NCAA tournament and lost by 1 point in the national championship game on a half court shot by Gordon Hayward that missed going in by inches. Only two times since that Butler team has the conference champion won the regular season title with as little as 2 losses - Green Bay in 2013-2014 and Valparaiso in 2015-2016. Exactly |
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Post by gbanks on Jan 30, 2023 19:10:42 GMT -5
We had this conversation last year. For a program that’s had losing seasons about 60% of it’s existence, I’ll never take being in the hunt for granted. I don’t care if we beat the worst team in the nation by 1 point. It’s better than losing. It wasn’t long ago we *were* one of the bottom few teams in the nation. I don’t understand bitching about a win when we’re clearly in the top 4 with a realistic shot to win our 3rd straight regular season championship. You know how many times that’s happened in program history? Zero. Not to mention, anybody who actually watched todays game saw that we were in complete control the entire time. We didn’t trail a single second all weekend. Today we had lineups playing long stretches together that had never been seen before. And we were still in control. IUPUI hit back-to-back 3s late to cut it to 4 and we immediately scored 4 straight to end any threat. This game was over after the first 90 seconds and everyone watching in person or on tv knew it. hmmm, getting by is not a metric for success and less than mediocre is not a aspirational baseline. Aim higher! |
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Post by ede on Jan 30, 2023 20:13:04 GMT -5
We had this conversation last year. For a program that’s had losing seasons about 60% of it’s existence, I’ll never take being in the hunt for granted. I don’t care if we beat the worst team in the nation by 1 point. It’s better than losing. It wasn’t long ago we *were* one of the bottom few teams in the nation. I don’t understand bitching about a win when we’re clearly in the top 4 with a realistic shot to win our 3rd straight regular season championship. You know how many times that’s happened in program history? Zero. Not to mention, anybody who actually watched todays game saw that we were in complete control the entire time. We didn’t trail a single second all weekend. Today we had lineups playing long stretches together that had never been seen before. And we were still in control. IUPUI hit back-to-back 3s late to cut it to 4 and we immediately scored 4 straight to end any threat. This game was over after the first 90 seconds and everyone watching in person or on tv knew it. hmmm, getting by is not a metric for success and less than mediocre is not a aspirational baseline. Aim higher! That was kinda my point. We should have own IUPUI and I feel we are there. Next could be very special if we get most of the players back. Aside from the ones graduating |
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Post by gbanks on Jan 30, 2023 22:47:06 GMT -5
hmmm, getting by is not a metric for success and less than mediocre is not a aspirational baseline. Aim higher! That was kinda my point. We should have own IUPUI and I feel we are there. Next could be very special if we get most of the players back. Aside from the ones graduating understood... almost did not respond. |
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Post by ede on Jan 31, 2023 1:01:14 GMT -5
That was kinda my point. We should have own IUPUI and I feel we are there. Next could be very special if we get most of the players back. Aside from the ones graduating understood... almost did not respond. ummmm ok |
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Post by frankiemeatballs on Jan 31, 2023 9:11:19 GMT -5
I’m not disagreeing that we should have won easier vs. IUPUI.
My points:
1. It’s not uncommon for favorites to win by less than the spread.
2. Although the final margin was 6, we did in fact control the come comfortably from start to finish while playing backups more than normal.
3. We’re not a dominant team/program that should expect to win by a blowout every time we play.
4. Maybe a philosophical difference, but I prefer to enjoy my time spent following my favorite teams. I have enough misery following the Browns, I don’t need to spread that negativity over to CSU. When we win, I’m happy. When we’re in the hunt for a championship, I’m happy. When the players at CSU are good students and represent my alma mater respectfully, I’m happy. I don’t sweat the small things or harp on every “woulda coulda shoulda” scenario. That would drive me crazy and take the joy out of it.
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Post by theonetheonly on Jan 31, 2023 11:45:25 GMT -5
I’m bewildered by the bitching and moaning around this team. Robinson basically had a full rebuild with Gates leaving he flipped 80% of the roster and has us in contention for a conference title. He is way ahead of Gates in year 1 already. This team easily could be 11-1 and we would almost have conference title on lock. Consensus nationally at the start of the year is that we would finish somewhere between 5-8. No matter how this year finished up Robinson has proven he can coach and he compete for a conference title. He should be able to turn this into some recurring momentum. If we end up winning the regular season title or conference tournament that is just icing on the cake.
As for IUPUI it’s not uncommon for Horizon league teams to play to the level of the competition especially after getting a big lead. I’m in the minority also because so far I have really enjoyed the season. This season already is in the top 10% of season we have had. Being in contention this late into year is rare historically speaking.
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Post by frankiemeatballs on Jan 31, 2023 12:35:48 GMT -5
I’m bewildered by the bitching and moaning around this team. Robinson basically had a full rebuild with Gates leaving he flipped 80% of the roster and has us in contention for a conference title. He is way ahead of Gates in year 1 already. This team easily could be 11-1 and we would almost have conference title on lock. Consensus nationally at the start of the year is that we would finish somewhere between 5-8. No matter how this year finished up Robinson has proven he can coach and he compete for a conference title. He should be able to turn this into some recurring momentum. If we end up winning the regular season title or conference tournament that is just icing on the cake. As for IUPUI it’s not uncommon for Horizon league teams to play to the level of the competition especially after getting a big lead. I’m in the minority also because so far I have really enjoyed the season. This season already is in the top 10% of season we have had. Being in contention this late into year is rare historically speaking. I agree 100% word for word. That doesn’t happen often my man, let’s celebrate lol |
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Post by Admin on Jan 31, 2023 13:58:43 GMT -5
My only gripe is every time I see frankiemeatballs post, I think it is David Amata posting LOL ROTFL
This coming weekend for the Michigan trip, I am just hoping CSU can manage to win 1 of the 2
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Post by gbanks on Jan 31, 2023 14:16:50 GMT -5
I’m bewildered by the bitching and moaning around this team. Robinson basically had a full rebuild with Gates leaving he flipped 80% of the roster and has us in contention for a conference title. He is way ahead of Gates in year 1 already. This team easily could be 11-1 and we would almost have conference title on lock. Consensus nationally at the start of the year is that we would finish somewhere between 5-8. No matter how this year finished up Robinson has proven he can coach and he compete for a conference title. He should be able to turn this into some recurring momentum. If we end up winning the regular season title or conference tournament that is just icing on the cake. As for IUPUI it’s not uncommon for Horizon league teams to play to the level of the competition especially after getting a big lead. I’m in the minority also because so far I have really enjoyed the season. This season already is in the top 10% of season we have had. Being in contention this late into year is rare historically speaking. I agree 100% word for word. That doesn’t happen often my man, let’s celebrate lol Saying “you can do better” is not bitching and moaning gentleman. No one is saying this team sucks. |
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Post by user1 on Jan 31, 2023 15:40:07 GMT -5
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Post by theonetheonly on Jan 31, 2023 15:50:33 GMT -5
I agree 100% word for word. That doesn’t happen often my man, let’s celebrate lol Saying “you can do better” is not bitching and moaning gentleman. No one is saying this team sucks. You think they can do better than be tied for first in the conference? What were you expectations at the start of the year? I am not surprised there have been inconsistencies it’s a new coach with an entire roster learning to play together. |
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