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Post by henrymuto on Feb 21, 2023 21:01:19 GMT -5
I don't seeding matters much beyond being a top 4 seed to get a home game in the quarters. I think all of the top 4 teams are about equal and it be on a neutral court if each of the 4 can get that far.
Not that the quarters will be easy no matter who we play. I would still like to at least tie for 1st place but that means winning two road games.
We SHOULD win at Green Bay but who knows.
We will be a underdog at Milwaukee.
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Post by frankiemeatballs on Feb 21, 2023 21:08:20 GMT -5
I don't seeding matters much beyond being a top 4 seed to get a home game in the quarters. I think all of the top 4 teams are about equal and it be on a neutral court if each of the 4 can get that far. Not that the quarters will be easy no matter who we play. I would still like to at least tie for 1st place but that means winning two road games. We SHOULD win at Green Bay but who knows. We will be a underdog at Milwaukee. We’ve been over this lol. The tournament reseeds after each round, so being the top seed does come with a big advantage. If the 11, 10 or 9 seed pulls an upset in the first round they would face the 1 seed in the quarters. I will say, there’s a real chance that Detroit is the 9th seed this year and they could easily be the worst seed to advance to the quarters. That’s not a team I’d like to matchup with that early. |
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Post by frankiemeatballs on Feb 21, 2023 21:09:27 GMT -5
Not to mention, the 1 seed comes with the auto NIT bid if you don’t win the tournament. That’s obviously not the goal but it’s a nice consolation to have it in your back pocket just in case.
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Post by gbanks on Feb 21, 2023 22:15:53 GMT -5
I'm going to side with Henry on this one. The Vikes should target to win both games on the road... Need to roll into the HLT hot. The Vikes will play defense and hope that the shots fall. As for the seeding, don't really care. the way I see it, the Vikes can both win or lose to any team in the HL. This is all about peeking at the right time.
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Post by Admin on Feb 22, 2023 9:45:16 GMT -5
My rank of teams I would not want to face in the Quarterfinals at home for CSU:
1) Robert Morris: darn near beat CSU and took us down to the buzzer at home recently, and just stomped Milwaukee and YSU. Hot as fire right now. They check all of Gary Waters' three "H's" for a team to pull an upset: Healthy, Hot and Hungry
2) Detroit: Beat us handily @ Detroit a few weeks ago. Antoine Davis very motivated to have a deep tournament run to beat Pistol Pete's record and capable of winning a game by himself
3) Wright State: We are 2-0 versus them this year. We also were last year and lost to them in the tournament. Believe Wright State has won the last 3 or 4 games vs CSU in the HL Tournament
4) Fort Wayne: Would be my ideal choice. Obviously an experienced team which helps them at tournament time, but they have been a massive disappointment this year, and I felt like CSU controlled both games versus them and were never really threatened.
This is all, of course, assuming that IUPUI or Green Bay doesn't pull some massive upset and CSU somehow gets the 1 seed and would play them in the Quarterfinal.
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Post by henrymuto on Feb 23, 2023 17:43:08 GMT -5
I don't seeding matters much beyond being a top 4 seed to get a home game in the quarters. I think all of the top 4 teams are about equal and it be on a neutral court if each of the 4 can get that far. Not that the quarters will be easy no matter who we play. I would still like to at least tie for 1st place but that means winning two road games. We SHOULD win at Green Bay but who knows. We will be a underdog at Milwaukee. We’ve been over this lol. The tournament reseeds after each round, so being the top seed does come with a big advantage. If the 11, 10 or 9 seed pulls an upset in the first round they would face the 1 seed in the quarters. I will say, there’s a real chance that Detroit is the 9th seed this year and they could easily be the worst seed to advance to the quarters. That’s not a team I’d like to matchup with that early. Well then CSU should not have blown leads vs Oakland, Milwaukee and Northern Kentucky if they wanted the #1 seed. All 3 of those games they were in position to win up by 3 or more in the final seconds blew them all. Just win 2 of them and it would been over already. |
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Post by henrymuto on Feb 23, 2023 17:55:28 GMT -5
Cleveland State’s only chance at the 1 seed is RMU beating YSU because CSU can’t win the tiebreaker otherwise. So let’s pretend CSU wins out and YSU loses to RMU. Here’s how each team would compare against the rest of the league. NKU both 1-1 Milwaukee both 1-1 Oakland YSU 2-0/CSU 1-1 Wright State both 2-0 Robert Morris YSU 1-1/CSU 2-0 Detroit YSU 2-0/CSU 1-1 Purdue Fort Wayne YSU 1-1/CSU 2-0 Green Bay both 2-0 IUPUI both 2-0 The only differences would be Oakland, RMU, Detroit and PFW. The other teams all wash out. Remember though, that when teams are tied in the standings, the tiebreaker looks at the first place team’s combined record against the tied teams. For example. CSU loses the tiebreaker if Oakland is ahead of RMU. But if Oakland and RMU are tied in the standings, both YSU and CSU would be 2-2 against those teams and the tiebreaker would continue farther down the standings (to where CSU’s only chance would rely on PFW finishing ahead of Detroit). So, once again, CSU needs one of two scenarios to happen: RMU finishes ahead of Oakland. Or RMU finishes tied with Oakland and PFW finishes ahead of Detroit. So tonight we are rooting for besides CSU winning Wright State to win at Oakland Northern Kentucky to win at Detroit Robert Morris to win at IUPUI PFW to win at Milwaukee So we need all road teams to win that sucks too bad everyone isn't at home. The one I could see people conflicted on is Northern Kentucky at Detroit if Detroit wins that locks up a top 3 seed if we win. So would you rather make sure you get a top 3 seed in case you lose to Milwaukee or do you root for Northern Kentucky to try and help your chances to get #1 seed in case you beat Milwakee. |
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Post by frankiemeatballs on Feb 23, 2023 19:28:57 GMT -5
We’ve been over this lol. The tournament reseeds after each round, so being the top seed does come with a big advantage. If the 11, 10 or 9 seed pulls an upset in the first round they would face the 1 seed in the quarters. I will say, there’s a real chance that Detroit is the 9th seed this year and they could easily be the worst seed to advance to the quarters. That’s not a team I’d like to matchup with that early. Well then CSU should not have blown leads vs Oakland, Milwaukee and Northern Kentucky if they wanted the #1 seed. All 3 of those games they were in position to win up by 3 or more in the final seconds blew them all. Just win 2 of them and it would been over already. I know harping on those games is your thing, but in this case your point isn’t making sense. I was clarifying why winning the number one seed does usually have an advantage after you said it didn’t. Then I conceded and said this year it may not. Then you said, “well they should have won then.” If the top seed has no advantage, as you originally suggested, then why the hell do you keep harping on those games? And if avoiding Detroit this year is a good thing, as I suggested, they shouldn’t care if they lost those games because being the 2 seed might allow them to miss Detroit. At least make sense if you’re going to repeat yourself ad nauseam. |
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Post by henrymuto on Feb 23, 2023 19:40:00 GMT -5
Wright State had a nice lead but Oakland has mounted a comeback. Northern Kentucky crushing Detroit right now.
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Post by henrymuto on Feb 23, 2023 20:00:15 GMT -5
Of all the games tonight besides ours the 1 that is a must win is Robert Morris without that win there is no shot at the #1 seed.
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Post by henrymuto on Feb 23, 2023 20:08:18 GMT -5
IUPUI leads 15-9 (Bangs head against wall)
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Post by henrymuto on Feb 23, 2023 20:24:59 GMT -5
Detroit storms back to cut the lead to 43-42 vs NKU
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Post by henrymuto on Feb 23, 2023 20:51:35 GMT -5
Robert Morris now leads 35-29 but Wright State trails Oakland 72-68 that one would really hurt.
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Post by henrymuto on Feb 23, 2023 20:53:25 GMT -5
Oakland defeats Wright State
So now if Northern Kentucky loses to Detroit I think this would end our #1 seed chances (short of YSU losing to IUPUI)
If Detroit loses I think there is still a long shot chance.
Things not going the right way tonight for sure.
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Post by henrymuto on Feb 23, 2023 21:02:40 GMT -5
Northern Kentucky hangs on to keep #1 seed hopes alive that would not include IUPIU beating YSU
Let us see if CSU can do there part
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Post by henrymuto on Feb 23, 2023 21:04:25 GMT -5
Now we really need a PFW upset of Milwaukee pretty bad
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Post by frankiemeatballs on Feb 23, 2023 21:04:52 GMT -5
Coming into tonight there were 3 scenarios where CSU would get the 1 seed by winning out.
1. YSU loses to IUPUI
2. Oakland loses both games and RMU beats IUPUI
3. Detroit loses both and PFW wins both
Only number 2 has currently been eliminated as an option. We need RMU and PFW to win tonight to keep number 3 alive.
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Post by henrymuto on Feb 23, 2023 21:08:32 GMT -5
What is the next tie breaker if all teams are same through the standings ?
If YSU and CSU both finish 15-5
RM 11-9
Oak 11-9
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PWF 9-11
DEt 9-11
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What would be next if it is NET we lose tiebreaker
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Post by frankiemeatballs on Feb 23, 2023 21:11:03 GMT -5
What is the next tie breaker if all teams are same through the standings ? If YSU and CSU both finish 15-5 RM 11-9 Oak 11-9 -------------- PWF 9-11 DEt 9-11 ------------------ What would be next if it is NET we lose tiebreaker You’re right, the last tiebreaker is NET and we’d lose. |
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Post by henrymuto on Feb 23, 2023 21:48:00 GMT -5
Unreal IUPIU leading Robert Morris 68-60 with less than 4 mins left. Of all the games I thought was a lock this was it.
Oh well
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Post by henrymuto on Feb 23, 2023 23:14:53 GMT -5
#1 seed - CSU win plus a YSU loss
#2 seed - CSU win and YSU win
#3 seed - CSU loses and either a Northern Kentucky loss OR a Wright State win over Detroit
#4 seed - CSU losses and Wright State loses and Northern Kentucky wins
Can someone verify this
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Post by frankiemeatballs on Feb 23, 2023 23:30:31 GMT -5
#1 seed - CSU win plus a YSU loss #2 seed - CSU win and YSU win #3 seed - CSU loses and either a Northern Kentucky loss OR a Wright State win over Detroit #4 seed - CSU losses and Wright State loses and Northern Kentucky wins Can someone verify this Good work. That’s what I have too. |
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Post by vikesfan on Feb 24, 2023 7:21:37 GMT -5
#1 seed - CSU win plus a YSU loss #2 seed - CSU win and YSU win #3 seed - CSU loses and either a Northern Kentucky loss OR a Wright State win over Detroit #4 seed - CSU losses and Wright State loses and Northern Kentucky wins Can someone verify this Al Davis said it best - just win baby, win. |
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Post by henrymuto on Feb 24, 2023 21:21:26 GMT -5
I actually forgot about the re-seeding aspect of the league so it is important to be the #1 seed like a couple years ago I think we got an easier quarter final game that we needed double or triple OT to win haha so much for easier.
Did I mention how we lost the Oakland, Milwaukee and..............never mind
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Post by henrymuto on Feb 25, 2023 12:09:51 GMT -5
Well we should know around 3 PM if we have the #3 seed locked up part 1
Well we should know around 5 PM if we have the #3 seed locked up part 2
Well we should know around 9 PM if we still have any shot for the #1 seed
Well we should know about 10 PM what our seed is and possibly our 1st matchup.
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Post by henrymuto on Feb 25, 2023 13:38:18 GMT -5
Wright State up early 35-27 at the half on Detroit.
Davis with just 8 pts.
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Post by henrymuto on Feb 25, 2023 14:51:35 GMT -5
Wright State up 72-62 with 3:42 left. On the verge of at least clinching the #3 seed here.
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Post by henrymuto on Feb 25, 2023 14:54:47 GMT -5
Just like that it is now 72-68.......
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Post by henrymuto on Feb 25, 2023 15:04:51 GMT -5
Wright State defeats Detroit this locks up at least the #3 seed for CSU now.
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Post by henrymuto on Feb 25, 2023 15:13:13 GMT -5
If YSU and CSU both lose and Milwaukee and Northern Kentucky both win this would be a 4 way tie
1 - Milwaukee 14-6 (4-2)
2 - YSU 14-6 (3-3) wins tie breaker thru Oakland
3 - CSU 14-6 (3-3)
4 - Northern Kentucky 14-6 (2-4)
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