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Post by theonetheonly on Jul 11, 2019 8:52:28 GMT -5
Cleveland State has everything going against it. Mackey had this program on trac to being the next Xavier but after the scandal, it was derailed and never really recovered. Waters breathed some life into the program, but after the Forbes, Lewis, Grady Transfer is now back to the Boyd/Garland years level. With the new tranfer rule players can now bolt when ever they want. Schools with $ and P5 status can have their pick of the best players from the midmajors(the rich get richer,the poor get poorer) effectively turning schools like CSU into a junior college, ad a weak fan base and you have the perfect storm for failure. Smh. Basically this program never recovered from the Mackey scandal. It was essentially the death penalty for CSU. All the other teams in our conference are facing the same challenges. There is zero reason for us to not be able to compete in the conference. You just need to hire a competent athletic director we haven’t had that since Lee Reed. So far Scott Garrett is questionable at best.
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Post by gbanks on Jul 11, 2019 16:50:49 GMT -5
The typical excuse of 5 year contract is for recruitment purposes. You will be able to recruit if the prospect believed the coach will not last 4 years. Again, I don't think that matters any longer. No coach though that is wanted by multiple programs is going to take a 3 year deal. I agree... I'm not sure I can name a CSU (basketball) coach that we had to fight off others suitors to land. Was it Gary? Seriously I don't know of one.
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Post by gbanks on Jul 11, 2019 17:10:13 GMT -5
I not to surprised about the developments. New sheriff (AD) is in town and the house must be cleaned. The pressure is on and they are running for the hills. If Felton lands an another job next year, I'm sure CSU will waive any penalties. The next coach should have only a 3 year deal. The new reality for mid majors like CSU, most players will only see CSU as a stepping stone. As I said before, CSU basketball recruiting should be restricted to a steady diet of JUCOs and transfers. Only deal with kids out of HS sparingly. BTW, what does "flipping out" mean? Are we talking about "Drill Sargent" in your face or are we talking about Bobby Knight chair throwing temper circus? The reaction was dismissive at best. Jon, you may want to jump in with the coaching staff's reaction to one of your meltdowns, stating, while admitting Shad's personal situation, that CSU would be okay with or without him. With that being the response to a random fan, I understand the actual reaction from Felton was somewhere between drill sergeant and Bobby Knight. But again, the reaction to Shad's reaction wasn't what set Appleby and Hill (and probably Millner) over the edge. Thanks Bobby. I had to ask because over the years the universe has changed quite a bit to what is considered "Flipping out". I was looking for some type scale to calibrate these responses in this thread. Ultimately, I'm just waiting for another season of basketball. Every summer has been nothing but drama about players leaving. I am fine with that. If they were winning, much of this drama would not exist. As you said last year, what about this group was going to make that giant leap forward and all of a sudden become a contender? (paraphrase). I'm good with watching a new group give it a shot. They were 9th last year. They were 9th last year. They were 9th last year..........
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Post by Admin on Jul 11, 2019 17:15:42 GMT -5
Jon, you may want to jump in with the coaching staff's reaction to one of your meltdowns, stating, while admitting Shad's personal situation, that CSU would be okay with or without him. Yeah, back on June 13th a member of the coaching staff told me that Rashad Williams was only transferring due to a very serious illness that a close family member of his was dealing with, and that I shouldn't flip out and there wasn't anything more to it. Well, seems like a lot has changed since then. All of the top players have transferred out. I did message the same member of the coaching staff asking what is up and why so many transfers are happening, and I received no response
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Post by Admin on Jul 11, 2019 17:17:24 GMT -5
It was essentially the death penalty for CSU. I'm not exactly known as Mr. Positive, but CSU is one good hire at head coach away from being relevant again, just like it was when Gary Waters was hired
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Post by theonetheonly on Jul 11, 2019 17:29:48 GMT -5
The reaction was dismissive at best. Jon, you may want to jump in with the coaching staff's reaction to one of your meltdowns, stating, while admitting Shad's personal situation, that CSU would be okay with or without him. With that being the response to a random fan, I understand the actual reaction from Felton was somewhere between drill sergeant and Bobby Knight. But again, the reaction to Shad's reaction wasn't what set Appleby and Hill (and probably Millner) over the edge. Thanks Bobby. I had to ask because over the years the universe has changed quite a bit to what is considered "Flipping out". I was looking for some type scale to calibrate these responses in this thread. Ultimately, I'm just waiting for another season of basketball. Every summer has been nothing but drama about players leaving. I am fine with that. If they were winning, much of this drama would not exist. As you said last year, what about this group was going to make that giant leap forward and all of a sudden become a contender? (paraphrase). I'm good with watching a new group give it a shot. They were 9th last year. They were 9th last year. They were 9th last year.......... I think the reason people are frustrated is because this was being sold as a youth movement. I was the first saying that going this young wasn’t going to work. We went through this disastrous rebuild for no reason whatsoever. We basically spent two years in the cellar to develop talent for other programs. Yes we understand they were 9th but those 9th place finishes were supposed to have a payoff this year and next. I have said it since he started the biggest mistake Felton made was not understanding the modern landscapes and bringing in transfers in bulk that first year and have them sit out. He never recovered from that decision.
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Post by gbanks on Jul 11, 2019 18:42:45 GMT -5
TOTO: In Felton's first year, he brought 3 players (1 xfer and 2 freshmen). Not too bad for very late in the recruitment cycle. The others were legacy Water's recruits. Ok, if your reference is the 2nd year, we are on the same page. If you predicted that, kudos. Grab a bag of chips on me. I for one, will be watching the upcoming season. The Vikes may surprise or end up in last place. Being a Vike fan, I hope it's not in the bottom 3. But by reading this thread, I'm already prepared for that reality. Kudos again, I'm level set for the next season.
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Post by theonetheonly on Jul 11, 2019 18:57:03 GMT -5
TOTO: In Felton's first year, he brought 3 players (1 xfer and 2 freshmen). Not too bad for very late in the recruitment cycle. The others were legacy Water's recruits. Ok, if your reference is the 2nd year, we are on the same page. If you predicted that, kudos. Grab a bag of chips on me. I for one, will be watching the upcoming season. The Vikes may surprise or end up in last place. Being a Vike fan, I hope it's not in the bottom 3. But by reading this thread, I'm already prepared for that reality. Kudos again, I'm level set for the next season. It was the two years combined. Probably should have went 2 transfers the first year and a couple more the second. At least then we would have been building for something this year. We are back to square 1 going on year 3 and everyone knows there is 95 percent chance he is gone after the season.
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Post by theonetheonly on Jul 11, 2019 19:00:07 GMT -5
No coach though that is wanted by multiple programs is going to take a 3 year deal. I agree... I'm not sure I can name a CSU (basketball) coach that we had to fight off others suitors to land. Was it Gary? Seriously I don't know of one. Waters had multiple offers after Rutgers including a couple in the MAC I can’t remember who. I remember at the time we were surprised we got him. Lee Reed made that happen. Shows you the importance of a quality athletic director. Almost impossible to get a quality coach with a bad AD. Last two were a disaster. Jury is out on Scott Garrett.
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Post by gbanks on Jul 11, 2019 19:14:59 GMT -5
TOTO: In Felton's first year, he brought 3 players (1 xfer and 2 freshmen). Not too bad for very late in the recruitment cycle. The others were legacy Water's recruits. Ok, if your reference is the 2nd year, we are on the same page. If you predicted that, kudos. Grab a bag of chips on me. I for one, will be watching the upcoming season. The Vikes may surprise or end up in last place. Being a Vike fan, I hope it's not in the bottom 3. But by reading this thread, I'm already prepared for that reality. Kudos again, I'm level set for the next season. It was the two years combined. Probably should have went 2 transfers the first year and a couple more the second. At least then we would have been building for something this year. We are back to square 1 going on year 3 and everyone knows there is 95 percent chance he is gone after the season. Kenic and Appleby were decent freshmen recruits. The xfer has been a mixed bag. I'm OK with the 1 class. The 2nd class struggled. Like you said needed grad xfers with DI experience. Let's see if this course correction puts the ship in the right direction.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2019 9:28:08 GMT -5
Jeff goodman saying on twitter a move on Feltons future is going to be announced today.
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Post by ede on Jul 12, 2019 15:37:20 GMT -5
Maybe this will convince Hill at least to comeback. Applybe is off to sec.
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Post by gbanks on Jul 14, 2019 11:36:54 GMT -5
Are you happy now!
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