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Post by theonetheonly on Jul 2, 2019 19:33:09 GMT -5
For the last two years all we have heard is how young this team is. The team was young because Felton refused to take advantage of the transfer market. A few of us identified that as a mistake really early in his tenure. There was no guarantee that any of these guys would be willing to stay for the long term after the terrible first two years. Losing your 4 best players off a 9th place conference team is the end for Felton. We are just playing out the string with him and there is zero reason beyond financial to not move off him immediately.
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Post by delux269 on Jul 2, 2019 19:41:49 GMT -5
Agree a hundred percent. The only good recruits he had were Appleby and Rashad Williams and both left the program after two and one years respectively. Felton proved he isn’t a good basketball coach when his team actually got worse in his second year. That proves he is a scrub. Hopefully CSU President Harlan Sands can raise the funds to fire Felton and buy out his contract.
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Post by vikefan15 on Jul 3, 2019 5:10:05 GMT -5
Not sure where this all went wrong but really thought that maybe this year would turn the corner. Was really disappointed that Milner wasn't on the floor more last year, thought he had a ton of talent but minutes diminished as the year went on. Sands and Garrett in a really tough spot...3 years left on a contract , 500-700 people at games. They are too late to get any real talent for next year and have already started the juco route. Know idea how Felton can even recruit or spin this to future recruits.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 3, 2019 9:44:34 GMT -5
Just sayin it not always the coach's fault. The transfer portal for mid majors schools is huge. I feel many players need to check their ego's at the door. Playing Horizon league b-ball isn't the likely path to the NBA. Some of these guys think they can get to the big show, but odds are they will not.
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Post by Admin on Jul 3, 2019 9:50:05 GMT -5
If it is one player transferring out, I could hear your point. However there are 4 confirmed transfers leaving the program who happen to be the team’s four best players, and with rumors of more possibly coming, as well of allegations of some sort of abuse by the coach floating around twitter. This is a Dennis Felton problem, not a culture of college basketball problem
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Post by theonetheonly on Jul 3, 2019 10:22:00 GMT -5
Just sayin it not always the coach's fault. The transfer portal for mid majors schools is huge. I feel many players need to check their ego's at the door. Playing Horizon league b-ball isn't the likely path to the NBA. Some of these guys think they can get to the big show, but odds are they will not. The team has been horrific for two years and just lost its top 4 players. I’m not sure how it’s anything but Felton’s fault. |
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Post by ede on Jul 3, 2019 14:17:14 GMT -5
This is a Cluster fck wtf happened
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Post by azvike83 on Jul 3, 2019 15:57:46 GMT -5
Total Disaster
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Post by azvike83 on Jul 3, 2019 15:58:22 GMT -5
By the Way...Thanks to Tom for getting this going!
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Post by theonetheonly on Jul 3, 2019 17:08:07 GMT -5
By the Way...Thanks to Tom for getting this going! Tom isn’t running this. |
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Post by theonetheonly on Jul 3, 2019 17:09:27 GMT -5
This is a Cluster fck wtf happened What I told you was going to happen. You and Tom kept arguing with me but it was insane to bring on that many young players at once. Guys got sick of losing and bailed. This was the obvious ending to this build with Felton. |
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Post by ede on Jul 3, 2019 20:00:32 GMT -5
Iam not buying that, they showed progress in the end, this team was poised to make a huge leap this season. Something happened that caused a mutiny.
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Post by theonetheonly on Jul 3, 2019 21:45:23 GMT -5
Iam not buying that, they showed progress in the end, this team was poised to make a huge leap this season. Something happened that caused a mutiny. 9th place in conference isn’t progress. Losing consistently gets old. Once Rashad Williams left there was almost no reason for Appleby to stay. Appleby will be able to parlay his play in bigger opportunity. Without Appleby and Williams the team had no future. The transfers are not finished either most likely. There are still 2-3 more players debating leaving. |
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Post by theonetheonly on Jul 3, 2019 21:49:54 GMT -5
Also expect the announcement of two more JUCO players here shortly.
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Post by ac on Jul 3, 2019 23:20:38 GMT -5
Man I know csu is at the bottom of totem pole but wish someone in media would do some investigating & found out what is going on. Probably Walker, Johnson & Kencic debating leaving.
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Post by gbanks on Jul 5, 2019 16:50:26 GMT -5
I hate to see those guys go. Seems like we can't keep the band together. The loss of Appleby is tragic. However, isn't Beck a step up from Milner? Who is recruiting the new players. Are they that bad? Does anyone know anything about the new recruits? Jon, kudos for getting this site up. BTW, I like the name.  |
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Post by gbanks on Jul 5, 2019 18:52:53 GMT -5
Verbal Commits indicated that Rashad Williams committed to Oakland. Can you xfer inside the HL? I thought that was not allowed.
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Post by theonetheonly on Jul 5, 2019 18:53:14 GMT -5
I hate to see those guys go. Seems like we can't keep the band together. The loss of Appleby is tragic. However, isn't Beck a step up from Milner? Who is recruiting the new players. Are they that bad? Does anyone know anything about the new recruits? Jon, kudos for getting this site up. BTW, I like the name. So Beck fell off big time from his freshmen year. His sophomore year was pretty bad. He was pretty out of shape from reports and fell out of the rotation. Doesn’t seem like their fan base is to disappointed in him leaving. I would probably call it a wash but he can’t play this year so Beck will probably never play for Felton and who knows how the relationship with the new coach will go. Does nothing to help Felton’s slim chances of surviving this year. The loss of Appleby, Williams, and Hill are the big blows. Appleby is our best player and we literally have no other size of quality without Hill. Williams has potential for real growth in year 2. |
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Post by gbanks on Jul 5, 2019 18:59:19 GMT -5
I hate to see those guys go. Seems like we can't keep the band together. The loss of Appleby is tragic. However, isn't Beck a step up from Milner? Who is recruiting the new players. Are they that bad? Does anyone know anything about the new recruits? Jon, kudos for getting this site up. BTW, I like the name. So Beck fell off big time from his freshmen year. His sophomore year was pretty bad. He was pretty out of shape from reports and fell out of the rotation. Doesn’t seem like their fan base is to disappointed in him leaving. I would probably call it a wash but he can’t play this year so Beck will probably never play for Felton and who knows how the relationship with the new coach will go. Does nothing to help Felton’s slim chances of surviving this year. The loss of Appleby and Hill are the big blows. Appleby is our best player and we literally have no other size of quality without Hill. I would rather Hill still be here because he is a known quantity. Do you anything about the other bigs? There seems like a log jam at PF. As for Beck, I read the same information. But, it's not too hard to get back into shape (but he has to want it). |
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Post by theonetheonly on Jul 5, 2019 20:32:00 GMT -5
I can only go off what others have told me. They have told me that there is a significant drop off in talent from Hill. People in the know for college basketball told me that CSU went from probably middle of the pack talent wise this year to being right back to near the bottom of the talent pool in the conference.
When it comes to Beck I am just leery. This is already a team that quit on Felton in multiple games last year. Obviously with the exodus they had quit on the team and were just playing out the string as it appeared. So hearing about laziness doesn’t have me overly excited. I hope he turns it around a lot of people said he is a good kid. They think coming home should help but I would be shocked if Felton gets a chance to coach him unless he gets an appeal approved.
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Post by ede on Jul 5, 2019 23:37:34 GMT -5
I feel Beck might have learned his lesson develope a work ethic.
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Post by ede on Jul 6, 2019 0:07:35 GMT -5
I feel Beck might have learned his lesson and develope a work ethic.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 6, 2019 14:02:00 GMT -5
Thanks Tom for putting this together . I'm a '15 alum and agree with the post about local Cleveland media investigating the situation in the program .Looking forward to following with you all- if they can have a top25 program in Buffalo , why can't we have a winning team here ?
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Post by gbanks on Jul 6, 2019 14:39:27 GMT -5
Given the tile of this thread, does anyone have the back story of why these players decided to leave?
I would have thought that truly disgruntled players would have hit the xfer button weeks earlier and get a head start to shop other teams. The sudden rash of exits appear to be a recent reaction to something.
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Post by ede on Jul 6, 2019 15:26:34 GMT -5
Given the tile of this thread, does anyone have the back story of why these players decided to leave? I would have thought that truly disgruntled players would have hit the xfer button weeks earlier and get a head start to shop other teams. The sudden rash of exits appear to be a recent reaction to something. I agree what the hell went down They lost damn near the entire class. TOTO feels it's because they had losing record,ofif that's the case they would've transfered much earlier,to lose them this late?? Something is up and we may never know this happened. |
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Post by theonetheonly on Jul 6, 2019 19:14:48 GMT -5
Thanks Tom for putting this together . I'm a '15 alum and agree with the post about local Cleveland media investigating the situation in the program .Looking forward to following with you all- if they can have a top25 program in Buffalo , why can't we have a winning team here ? Tom isnt involved with this at all. Deluxe created the site and I am going to be helping. We just decided to create one ourselves after all the craziness this offseason. |
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Post by theonetheonly on Jul 6, 2019 19:20:31 GMT -5
Given the tile of this thread, does anyone have the back story of why these players decided to leave? I would have thought that truly disgruntled players would have hit the xfer button weeks earlier and get a head start to shop other teams. The sudden rash of exits appear to be a recent reaction to something. I agree what the hell went down They lost damn near the entire class. TOTO feels it's because they had losing record,ofif that's the case they would've transfered much earlier,to lose them this late?? Something is up and we may never know this happened. There were some rumors flying around on social media about accusations of abuse against Felton. I want to be perfectly clear I have zero knowledge as to whether these accusations were true or not. The reality though is that it’s been out there this was followed up by a twitter user stating there was going to be a mutiny coming at CSU in the next couple days. Immediately afterwards transfers began. The mutiny story is gaining some traction it was actually the lead story on the One Shining Podcast with Titus and Tate. The reality is that even if the allegations are false and I hope they are the perception is bad because the accusations were followed by a massive transfer. Felton isn’t going to recover from this. Allowing him to coach this year is just delaying the inevitable. |
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Post by ede on Jul 6, 2019 19:50:35 GMT -5
I agree what the hell went down They lost damn near the entire class. TOTO feels it's because they had losing record,ofif that's the case they would've transfered much earlier,to lose them this late?? Something is up and we may never know this happened. There were some rumors flying around on social media about accusations of abuse against Felton. I want to be perfectly clear I have zero knowledge as to whether these accusations were true or not. The reality though is that it’s been out there this was followed up by a twitter user stating there was going to be a mutiny coming at CSU in the next couple days. Immediately afterwards transfers began. The mutiny story is gaining some traction it was actually the lead story on the One Shining Podcast with Titus and Tate. The reality is that even if the allegations are false and I hope they are the perception is bad because the accusations were followed by a massive transfer. Felton isn’t going to recover from this. Allowing him to coach this year is just delaying the inevitable. Now that is a more pausible explanation. If was just the record, they would've transferred much earlier. But Why would he abuse his Star player in Appleby.smh. if this is true i hope Felton learned his lesson. If not he's gonna lose more. This team will be pretty much brand new with players who haven't played together. The Vikings will finish near the bottom again. Unless these new recruits are special.My first choice was Kimbrough wonder if Waters lobbied for him or was their bad blood because he left. If Felton is Fired Kimbrough is the obvious choice. |
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Post by theonetheonly on Jul 6, 2019 20:08:26 GMT -5
The abuse doesn’t make much sense to me just because it just randomly started two years in during off season workouts? That just doesn’t add up. Not saying it can’t be true but the timing seems strange. It doesn’t really matter what Felton learned he won’t be here after this year.
I would be shocked if it’s Kimbrough. It’s most likely going to be someone that the athletic director has previous experience with I would start with K-State assistants and work from there as most likely candidates.
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Post by gbanks on Jul 6, 2019 20:40:22 GMT -5
The abuse doesn’t make much sense to me just because it just randomly started two years in during off season workouts? That just doesn’t add up. Not saying it can’t be true but the timing seems strange. It doesn’t really matter what Felton learned he won’t be here after this year. I would be shocked if it’s Kimbrough. It’s most likely going to be someone that the athletic director has previous experience with I would start with K-State assistants and work from there as most likely candidates. If the assertion is true, I hope school is looking into the situation. This is not good optics no matter how it turns out. As far as losing the 4 best players on a 9th place team, I'm much less concerned about. It's not much of a gamble to restart with a new group of players. The down side is to stay the same or fall 1 spot. When comparing this group with last year's team, you finish in the middle or above, he exceeded expectations. Based on this thread, no one is expecting anything with this new group. This will be the 3rd straight season Felton has started with new players. In Jon's gambling terms, he may be going for broke. After all, he has a new boss and finishing in the middle of the pack with last year's model will find him on the unemployment line. |
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