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Post by ede on Apr 5, 2022 23:11:45 GMT -5
Iowa State fans are gushing about Robinson, so let’s give him a chance please. Now into recruiting the current players back, and adding where need be. Some names if guys who were being recruited to Iowa State (and some smaller schools as well) who could be target: - Jordan Shorter - DJ Jefferson - Preston Murphy Jr - Korey Richardson - Fray Nguimbi - Maxime Ekomo If those players will even consider CSU.
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Post by theonetheonly on Apr 6, 2022 9:31:22 GMT -5
You are basing this on literally nothing. Summers isn’t thought of highly in coaching circles for head coach positions. I have talked to multiple people who told me he was never a serious candidate. Joyce was way to inexperienced to hand the job to. At this point we have no idea who the new coach is bringing in staff wise or player wise. To make this kind of prediction today is dumb. [/ yet one of the most successful coaches in the history of the program (CSU) hired him that pretty much says it all, don't get me wrong I'm not saying the new coach will be a bad coach I'm just saying this disrupts the continuity of the program that Gates created,I'll trust Gates judgement over your heresay about Summers.We are losing our best talent. This isn't good. But I wish new coach the best of luck and will be rooting for the Vikings as always. Being an assistant coach and a head coach are two vastly different things. Also it’s not hearsay the AD didn’t seriously consider Summers. Also Gates assistant pool is very limited. Iowa State has way more money to spend on assistants and had a great year.
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Post by ede on Apr 6, 2022 10:32:45 GMT -5
Being an assistant coach and a head coach are two vastly different things. Also it’s not hearsay the AD didn’t seriously consider Summers. Also Gates assistant pool is very limited. Iowa State has way more money to spend on assistants and had a great year. I will not argue that point. I just feel continuity is important for Midmajors to get to the next level. Butler;Wichita State,Zags,Xavier all did it with maintaining continuity. Iam not saying the New Coach won't be successful, I hope he is; I just feel Garrett is taking a big risk here. We are starting over. Risk losing a pretty decent recruiting class. And our two best players. If he can bring in stud transfers great, but what about team chemistry? Like I said wish the new coach the best but we risk losing what Gates has built over 3 years.
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Post by ac on Apr 6, 2022 10:45:19 GMT -5
Gates still hasn't hired any assistants. Wonder if he brings some csu assistants.
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Post by ede on Apr 6, 2022 10:57:48 GMT -5
Gates still hasn't hired any assistants. Wonder if he brings some csu assistants. Joyce has a lot of potential. Mizzou would look good on his resume. Hope he stays here. He's very well connected here. Will help with local recruiting.
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Post by frankiemeatballs on Apr 6, 2022 12:17:09 GMT -5
I will not argue that point. I just feel continuity is important for Midmajors to get to the next level. Butler;Wichita State,Zags,Xavier all did it with maintaining continuity. Iam not saying the New Coach won't be successful, I hope he is; I just feel Garrett is taking a big risk here. We are starting over. Risk losing a pretty decent recruiting class. And our two best players. If he can bring in stud transfers great, but what about team chemistry? Like I said wish the new coach the best but we risk losing what Gates has built over 3 years. We’ve been over this a bunch. Continuity is great when you have emerging head coaches ready to take over. Our best assistants are a guy with one bad season as a D2 coach and a guy with 3 years of coaching experience at any level. They are good young assistants and may become good head coaches one day, but you can’t gamble on them just for continuity. And we’d be losing our best player either way because he’s not turning down a high major offer to play for either of them. Hiring Robinson is way less of a gamble than hiring Summers or Joyce would have been.
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Post by ede on Apr 6, 2022 12:37:45 GMT -5
We’ve been over this a bunch. Continuity is great when you have emerging head coaches ready to take over. Our best assistants are a guy with one bad season as a D2 coach and a guy with 3 years of coaching experience at any level. They are good young assistants and may become good head coaches one day, but you can’t gamble on them just for continuity. And we’d be losing our best player either way because he’s not turning down a high major offer to play for either of them. Hiring Robinson is way less of a gamble than hiring Summers or Joyce would have been. ummm why did you Hodge and Gomillion waited till the announced who the new coach would be? When they knew Summers and Joyce weren't getting the job they transferred. And if Summers is so god awful why would Gates hire him. I'll support the new Coach but we have a whole new team next with no chemistry.
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Post by theonetheonly on Apr 6, 2022 12:52:38 GMT -5
We’ve been over this a bunch. Continuity is great when you have emerging head coaches ready to take over. Our best assistants are a guy with one bad season as a D2 coach and a guy with 3 years of coaching experience at any level. They are good young assistants and may become good head coaches one day, but you can’t gamble on them just for continuity. And we’d be losing our best player either way because he’s not turning down a high major offer to play for either of them. Hiring Robinson is way less of a gamble than hiring Summers or Joyce would have been. If Joyce would have gotten the job they were likely to stay. I think Joyce and Summers were kept as finalists just so the new coach would have a chance to resell the portal guys.
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Post by theonetheonly on Apr 6, 2022 12:55:41 GMT -5
ummm why did you Hodge and Gomillion waited till the announced who the new coach would be? When they knew Summers and Joyce weren't getting the job they transferred. And if Summers is so god awful why would Gates hire him. I'll support the new Coach but we have a whole new team next with no chemistry. That would have been a 1 year fix. You don’t make a hire for short term thinking. This needs to be a 3-5 year hire. I’m interested to see if the AD was able to negotiate a better buyout.
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Post by vikesfan on Apr 6, 2022 13:31:50 GMT -5
A lot of players in attendance at the press conference, unsure about coaches, I did not see any but was not there in person. Anyone there in person see which coaches were there?
D’Moi Hodge and Tre Gomillion were in attendance so maybe there is at least a chance they opt to return though their names are in the portal.
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Post by theonetheonly on Apr 6, 2022 13:34:20 GMT -5
A lot of players in attendance at the press conference, unsure about coaches, I did not see any but was not there in person. Anyone there in person see which coaches were there? D’Moi Hodge and Tre Gomillion were in attendance so maybe there is at least a chance they opt to return though their names are in the portal. He met with the players as a whole yesterday. Meeting with them individually today from what I heard. There is a chance of a resell.
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Post by ede on Apr 6, 2022 13:40:31 GMT -5
A lot of players in attendance at the press conference, unsure about coaches, I did not see any but was not there in person. Anyone there in person see which coaches were there? D’Moi Hodge and Tre Gomillion were in attendance so maybe there is at least a chance they opt to return though their names are in the portal. He met with the players as a whole yesterday. Meeting with them individually today from what I heard. There is a chance of a resell. If he can keep Dmoi and Tre that'll go a long way.
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Post by vikesfan on Apr 6, 2022 13:49:20 GMT -5
He met with the players as a whole yesterday. Meeting with them individually today from what I heard. There is a chance of a resell. If he can keep Dmoi and Tre that'll go a long way. Agreed, wondering if he can sell his pressure defense, fast pace + weak conference + returning to family atmosphere as a positive to both their games this year in getting them to where they want to be post-CBB.
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Post by frankiemeatballs on Apr 6, 2022 14:09:56 GMT -5
Ede, I literally was the first person who ever suggested Summers as a candidate, for the very reason you're arguing. Not everything has to be polarized. I never said him or Joyce were terrible coaches. Far from it. I said they were both inexperienced and it was a gamble to hire either of them. If you hire them just to have a *chance* at keeping Hodge and Gomillion, you're doing it for the wrong reason. I have a hard time believing that Hodge would turn down a P6 offer to stay at CSU just because one of them was promoted. But even if he would, I still don't think you gamble on an inexperienced assistant if you think you have a better option.
Remember also that I was pushing for a proven head coach and I was excited for Robert Jones and less excited about Robinson. If we were going with an unproven assistant (albeit one with more experience than Summers and Joyce combined), I would have been fine giving one of them a shot at it. But I trust Garrett and Robinson has a good resume. If we lose a few players now but he turns out to be a strong coach that can get us back to winning in a year or two, then it was worth the short-term hiccup.
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Post by Admin on Apr 6, 2022 14:20:05 GMT -5
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Post by theonetheonly on Apr 6, 2022 14:58:16 GMT -5
Let’s just say after the press conference our AD has a type. Long time assistant coaches who have been turned down for head coaching jobs multiple times and hungry to prove everyone wrong. He almost sounded like Gates 2.0. The next couple weeks will be interesting. He needs to come out firing. The fact Hodge and Gomillion were there at least tells me the door is open for them to come back.
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Post by ede on Apr 6, 2022 16:43:00 GMT -5
Ede, I literally was the first person who ever suggested Summers as a candidate, for the very reason you're arguing. Not everything has to be polarized. I never said him or Joyce were terrible coaches. Far from it. I said they were both inexperienced and it was a gamble to hire either of them. If you hire them just to have a *chance* at keeping Hodge and Gomillion, you're doing it for the wrong reason. I have a hard time believing that Hodge would turn down a P6 offer to stay at CSU just because one of them was promoted. But even if he would, I still don't think you gamble on an inexperienced assistant if you think you have a better option. Remember also that I was pushing for a proven head coach and I was excited for Robert Jones and less excited about Robinson. If we were going with an unproven assistant (albeit one with more experience than Summers and Joyce combined), I would have been fine giving one of them a shot at it. But I trust Garrett and Robinson has a good resume. If we lose a few players now but he turns out to be a strong coach that can get us back to winning in a year or two, then it was worth the short-term hiccup. For a program like Cleveland State u can easily LOSE all your momentum. Players like Dmoi and Tre are special and are not easily replaced. They will be even better next year. And can take CSU the next level without them it starting all over. And it won't be a hiccup.
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Post by frankiemeatballs on Apr 6, 2022 17:06:39 GMT -5
Ede, I literally was the first person who ever suggested Summers as a candidate, for the very reason you're arguing. Not everything has to be polarized. I never said him or Joyce were terrible coaches. Far from it. I said they were both inexperienced and it was a gamble to hire either of them. If you hire them just to have a *chance* at keeping Hodge and Gomillion, you're doing it for the wrong reason. I have a hard time believing that Hodge would turn down a P6 offer to stay at CSU just because one of them was promoted. But even if he would, I still don't think you gamble on an inexperienced assistant if you think you have a better option. Remember also that I was pushing for a proven head coach and I was excited for Robert Jones and less excited about Robinson. If we were going with an unproven assistant (albeit one with more experience than Summers and Joyce combined), I would have been fine giving one of them a shot at it. But I trust Garrett and Robinson has a good resume. If we lose a few players now but he turns out to be a strong coach that can get us back to winning in a year or two, then it was worth the short-term hiccup. For a program like Cleveland State u can easily LOSE all your momentum. Players like Dmoi and Tre are special and are not easily replaced. They will be even better next year. And can take CSU the next level without them it starting all over. And it won't be a hiccup. Or the assistants turn out to be the next Felton or Garland and they go 4-28 even with Hodge and Gomillion and you need a new coach anyway.
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Post by gbanks on Apr 6, 2022 20:51:48 GMT -5
The first test will be how many hit the transfer portal. This will indicate how much like Gates the players believe he actually is. Then who he brings with him. This will indicate some loyalty he has built up and their belief in him.
I not against him bringing back the current staff; however, he deserves the chance to bring in whoever he thinks is going to help him build a winning program.
The good news, it's April and there is time for him to get his footing, recruit, and devise a plan to go forward.
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Post by ede on Apr 6, 2022 22:30:38 GMT -5
For a program like Cleveland State u can easily LOSE all your momentum. Players like Dmoi and Tre are special and are not easily replaced. They will be even better next year. And can take CSU the next level without them it starting all over. And it won't be a hiccup. Or the assistants turn out to be the next Felton or Garland and they go 4-28 even with Hodge and Gomillion and you need a new coach anyway. your taking a gamble either way.
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Post by ede on Apr 6, 2022 22:39:31 GMT -5
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Post by mrhoops on Apr 7, 2022 12:12:58 GMT -5
Some big ifs, but if Coach Robinson can keep the portal guys, keep the committed recruits in the fold, and possibly recruit another mobile, athletic big, I'll say he has a decent chance to keep the momentum going. Hated losing Gates, but the drama of this change should keep everyone engaged.
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Post by Admin on Apr 14, 2022 14:58:28 GMT -5
Rob Summers was just hired by Miami of Ohio to be Associate Head Coach.
That leaves Dru Joyce III as the only possible coach that has a chance to remain.
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Post by azvike83 on Apr 14, 2022 15:23:34 GMT -5
Well if we could only keep one (and that remains to be seen), I am glad its Joyce. He seems to be a good recruiter and it keeps LeBron "attached" to CSU at least a little bit. Even something as little as stopping by practice when the Lakers are in town (which he has done) helps things.
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Post by ede on Apr 14, 2022 16:43:40 GMT -5
Well if we could only keep one (and that remains to be seen), I am glad its Joyce. He seems to be a good recruiter and it keeps LeBron "attached" to CSU at least a little bit. Even something as little as stopping by practice when the Lakers are in town (which he has done) helps things. if he keeps Joyce that's a wise decision on the New Coaches part. We'll see.
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Post by ede on Apr 14, 2022 20:09:45 GMT -5
Summers got a job as an associate head at Miami of ohio huh. Not bad for guy not "highly thought if in coaching circles.
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Post by theonetheonly on Apr 14, 2022 20:26:15 GMT -5
Summers got a job as an associate head at Miami of ohio huh. Not bad for guy not "highly thought if in coaching circles. You are bragging about him getting an assistant coach position at a MAC program that has finished above .500 exactly once since 2009. I think that is exactly the type of coach that isn’t that highly thought of. Gates sure as shit didn’t bring him to Missouri for a reason and you wanted to make him a head coach. He literally got a worse job then staying at Cleveland State. Thank you for proving me right on everything.
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Post by ede on Apr 14, 2022 20:46:19 GMT -5
Summers got a job as an associate head at Miami of ohio huh. Not bad for guy not "highly thought if in coaching circles. You are bragging about him getting an assistant coach position at a MAC program that has finished above .500 exactly once since 2009. I think that is exactly the type of coach that isn’t that highly thought of. Gates sure as shit didn’t bring him to Missouri for a reason and you wanted to make him a head coach. He literally got a worse job then staying at Cleveland State. Thank you for proving me right on everything. Gates is hiring ppl with HM experience. Summers was hired for his Ohio connections. Btw Miami of Ohio isn't Mizzou but it's not Praire View AM either.
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Post by ac on Apr 15, 2022 10:02:40 GMT -5
Is anybody with sources close to program hearing anything about potential assistant coaches?
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Post by frankiemeatballs on Apr 15, 2022 11:06:19 GMT -5
Is anybody with sources close to program hearing anything about potential assistant coaches? No sources, but I was looking at Robinson's prior stops to see if there were any obvious answers. Short answer: no. Sometimes you'll see a first time head coach bring a veteran coach they have worked with in the past to their new staff. Gates had Dickey Nutt as an admin here and has him on staff at Mizzou for example. Robinson has worked with 6 different head coaches - 2 of them are retired and all others are current head coaches (Otzelberger at ISU, Prohm at ISU now back at Murray State, Moser at Ill St/Loyola now at Oklahoma, and Greg McDermott at ISU now at Creighton). Without doing all the research, I'd guess there are some assistants from those stops who would be candidates for the CSU job, as well as former players who are now coaches. Drew Joyce III makes a lot of sense obviously as well. Robinson has benefitted from new head coaches keeping him on staff after a change, so I'd guess he's not opposed to keeping a Gates assistant. Time will tell. My guess would be Joyce, 1-2 assistants/players he's worked with in the past, and perhaps a wildcard with HL/Ohio recruiting ties (like Summers/Joyce were to Gates).
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