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Post by ede on Apr 15, 2022 14:15:57 GMT -5
Gates is hiring ppl with HM experience. Summers was hired for his Ohio connections. Btw Miami of Ohio isn't Mizzou but it's not Praire View AM either. Miami OH isn't Prairie View but it is one of the worst college basketball programs in the state of Ohio. If you look at the peeking order, it is behind OSU, UC, X, UD, WSU, CSU, Kent, Akron, Ohio U, and even YSU now. If Summers is such a great coach with all these great Ohio connections, why didn't any of these better programs swoop in and pick him up for their staffs? What you and TOTO said about Summers is greatly exaggerated. But interesting to see what he does in Oxford. I'd love to see you both EAT CROW.
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Post by user1 on Apr 15, 2022 14:45:52 GMT -5
Miami OH isn't Prairie View but it is one of the worst college basketball programs in the state of Ohio. If you look at the peeking order, it is behind OSU, UC, X, UD, WSU, CSU, Kent, Akron, Ohio U, and even YSU now. If Summers is such a great coach with all these great Ohio connections, why didn't any of these better programs swoop in and pick him up for their staffs? What you and TOTO said about Summers is greatly exaggerated. But interesting to see what he does in Oxford. I'd love to see you both EAT CROW.
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Post by user1 on Apr 15, 2022 14:47:58 GMT -5
What you and TOTO said about Summers is greatly exaggerated. But interesting to see what he does in Oxford. I'd love to see you both EAT CROW. <button disabled="" class="c-attachment-insert--linked o-btn--sm">Attachment Deleted</button>
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Post by ede on Apr 15, 2022 15:31:06 GMT -5
<button disabled="" class="c-attachment-insert--linked o-btn--sm">Attachment Deleted</button> LMFAO. Don't use facts when talking to Ede. His delusions are waaay more important to him than actual facts. Hell, I bet Ede is surprised Duke didn't try to hire Summers to replace Coach K after he retired this year. You all know the only coach that could give Summers a run for his money is John Wooden in his prime. U guys really gave a bug up you asses about Summers. Let's see what he does in Oxford. Instead of prejudging him. Like we're doing for Robinson. There's a reason he got the job at Miami. I honestly think some u are just trolling.
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Post by ede on Apr 15, 2022 15:34:08 GMT -5
<button disabled="" class="c-attachment-insert--linked o-btn--sm">Attachment Deleted</button> View AttachmentYou point being? The issue is whether Summers is a competent coach not how bad Miami is. I never it's the top job in ohio. And neither was CSU at one point.
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Post by Admin on Apr 15, 2022 15:44:31 GMT -5
Miami Ohio had not been relevant in mens basketball since I was an undergrad at Cleveland State. That’s before 2010. ROTFL LMFAO
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Post by gbanks on Apr 15, 2022 17:48:58 GMT -5
U guys really gave a bug up you asses about Summers. Let's see what he does in Oxford. Instead of prejudging him. Like we're doing for Robinson. There's a reason he got the job at Miami. I honestly think some u are just trolling. Yes, there is a reason he got the job at Miami. IT WAS FOR AN ASSISTANT COACHING JOB. He sucked as a head coach in his very short stint at a D2 school and has otherwise been a career assistant coach. You wanted him hired as your HEAD coach. That is what you cannot seem to grasp. Ede is not afraid to provide an opinion. You can agree or disagree. BigD, there is a point of diminishing returns. You're a smart guy, I'm sure you can articulate yourself in a more civilized manor.
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Post by ede on Apr 15, 2022 18:32:07 GMT -5
Yes, there is a reason he got the job at Miami. IT WAS FOR AN ASSISTANT COACHING JOB. He sucked as a head coach in his very short stint at a D2 school and has otherwise been a career assistant coach. You wanted him hired as your HEAD coach. That is what you cannot seem to grasp. Ede is not afraid to provide an opinion. You can agree or disagree. BigD, there is a point of diminishing returns. You're a smart guy, I'm sure you can articulate yourself in a more civilized manor. Me and Big D have long history of butting heads even longer than me and TOTO. I feel they being very unfair to Summers. But I understand u can't be thin skinned on social media. His comments don't bother me.
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Post by cliffdawg on Apr 17, 2022 15:02:00 GMT -5
I like the the buyout numbers, look like he will be here at minimum 3/4 years with the high buyout numbers…..Will definitely help with recruiting .
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Post by ac on Apr 21, 2022 10:50:19 GMT -5
Dru Joyce name has been removed from csu staff. Probably means he's gone too
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Post by ac on Apr 25, 2022 7:16:36 GMT -5
Well Terry Pluto reported that Jermaine Henderson is going to be Robinsons top assistant. He also reported that Robinson offered Joyce chance to stay but Joyce has sights set on job at a high major.
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Post by vikesfan on Apr 25, 2022 9:59:56 GMT -5
Sucks to see Joyce leave, but good for him if he has a high major opportunity.
Awesome news on Henderson… pumped about that. He’s got great Ohio and Cleveland ties to continue to build a pipeline. Wonder if he brings any Kansas State transfers with him?
KSU transfers in the portal:
Logan Landers - F Davion Bradford - F Kaosi Ezeagu - C Luke Kasubke - SG
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Post by ac on Apr 25, 2022 10:04:28 GMT -5
Also Maximus Edwards redshirt freshman was injured this year
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Post by vikesfan on Apr 25, 2022 10:27:46 GMT -5
He was also recruiting Paul McMillan to Kansas State and is said to have a good relationship with him. McMillan was set to visit CSU last summer and the visit was cancelled (supposed to be rescheduled). Wonder if that reignites an interest in CSU.
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Post by ede on Apr 25, 2022 10:47:37 GMT -5
He was also recruiting Paul McMillan to Kansas State and is said to have a good relationship with him. McMillan was set to visit CSU last summer and the visit was cancelled (supposed to be rescheduled). Wonder if that reignites an interest in CSU. gonna be and Interesting Summer.
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Post by Admin on Apr 25, 2022 22:01:00 GMT -5
For the record I think the Jermaine Henderson hire is terrible. Wherever the guy is the lead assistant at the team loses. And he never recruits anyone good. Who did he recruit to Cleveland State from 2015-2017? No one worth anything. Very bad start to the assistant coaching staff. I remain very concerned about this program going forward.
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Post by ac on Apr 25, 2022 22:43:51 GMT -5
Recruiting did go down when Gee and Kimbrough left but he wasn't lead assistant here that was Desimpelare after Gee left.
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Post by ede on Apr 26, 2022 0:04:25 GMT -5
For the record I think the Jermaine Henderson hire is terrible. Wherever the guy is the lead assistant at the team loses. And he never recruits anyone good. Who did he recruit to Cleveland State from 2015-2017? No one worth anything. Very bad start to the assistant coaching staff. I remain very concerned about this program going forward. That was on Desimpler whose no longer in coaching from what I heard.
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Post by frankiemeatballs on Apr 26, 2022 4:27:49 GMT -5
For the record I think the Jermaine Henderson hire is terrible. Wherever the guy is the lead assistant at the team loses. And he never recruits anyone good. Who did he recruit to Cleveland State from 2015-2017? No one worth anything. Very bad start to the assistant coaching staff. I remain very concerned about this program going forward. Here are the win-loss records of Henderson’s teams during his tenure: Miami (OH) 1997-2012 245-226 (.520) Two NCAA Appearances Missouri State 2012-2015 42-52 (.447) One 20 win season Cleveland State 2015-2017 18-45 (.286) (Admin at Kansas State 2017-2019) Kansas State 2019-2022 36-58 (.383) Total: 341-381 (.472) His last NCAA appearance was 2007. His last 20 win season in 2014 was also his last winning record.
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Post by ede on Apr 26, 2022 8:00:57 GMT -5
For the record I think the Jermaine Henderson hire is terrible. Wherever the guy is the lead assistant at the team loses. And he never recruits anyone good. Who did he recruit to Cleveland State from 2015-2017? No one worth anything. Very bad start to the assistant coaching staff. I remain very concerned about this program going forward. Here are the win-loss records of Henderson’s teams during his tenure: Miami (OH) 1997-2012 245-226 (.520) Two NCAA Appearances Missouri State 2012-2015 42-52 (.447) One 20 win season Cleveland State 2015-2017 18-45 (.286) (Admin at Kansas State 2017-2019) Kansas State 2019-2022 36-58 (.383) Total: 341-381 (.472) His last NCAA appearance was 2007. His last 20 win season in 2014 was also his last winning record. not giving Summers and Joyce a shot may come back to bit us. Should have brought Kimbrough back. Henderson knows Ohio but isn't HC material.
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Post by Admin on Apr 26, 2022 10:15:14 GMT -5
Here are the win-loss records of Henderson’s teams during his tenure: Miami (OH) 1997-2012 245-226 (.520) Two NCAA Appearances Missouri State 2012-2015 42-52 (.447) One 20 win season Cleveland State 2015-2017 18-45 (.286) (Admin at Kansas State 2017-2019) Kansas State 2019-2022 36-58 (.383) Total: 341-381 (.472) His last NCAA appearance was 2007. His last 20 win season in 2014 was also his last winning record. Yeah, that's really bad. Having ties to NE Ohio alone doesn't mean you are a good coach. I do not like the hire one bit. Time will tell. Also, if a coach has been an assistant for literally 25 years and never given an opportunity to be a head coach, there's probably a reason for that.
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Post by cliffdawg on Apr 26, 2022 12:22:36 GMT -5
Didn’t realize it’s the asst Coach that makes a mid major successful , yes I understand it’s nice to have him as a good recruiter, but even then he not stopping the top recruits from going elsewhere, with that said the head coach influences have already snag potentially all league player transfer, with at least 6 scholarships still available, all we need is 2 of them to be top mid majors players, to go with what we have already,…..
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Post by ede on Apr 26, 2022 15:52:21 GMT -5
Didn’t realize it’s the asst Coach that makes a mid major successful , yes I understand it’s nice to have him as a good recruiter, but even then he not stopping the top recruits from going elsewhere, with that said the head coach influences have already snag potentially all league player transfer, with at least 6 scholarships still available, all we need is 2 of them to be top mid majors players, to go with what we have already,….. I think Henderson may've been the one recruiting McMillan. Iam not impressed with this hire either.
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Post by ac on Apr 26, 2022 17:52:30 GMT -5
Travis Lewis promoted to assistant coach
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Post by ede on Apr 26, 2022 19:07:05 GMT -5
Travis Lewis promoted to assistant coach These hires aren't impressive. But let's see what they can do.hope iam wrong
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Post by ac on Apr 27, 2022 6:33:26 GMT -5
I don't know how good a assistant these guys are and most on this board don't either. As for recruiting all head coaches don't rely on assistants for recruiting they use them more for the x's and o's. Also I was told assistants are like scouts in football you recommend certain players but head coach has final say and go with some player he likes or player some other assistant likes we don't know any of this so we don't know how much input assistants have .
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Post by vikesfan on Apr 27, 2022 7:17:44 GMT -5
So people on here wanted us to keep Summers and Joyce from Gates’ staff, but then we keep another member of his staff and give him a promotion (as what happens with DOBO/DOVOs) and people are mad.
We bring in an assistant from the Big 12 (who earned promotions from Bruce Weber), who has experience at Cleveland State, and has been around the game a long time… and people are mad.
Tough crowd…
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Post by ede on Apr 27, 2022 8:33:04 GMT -5
So people on here wanted us to keep Summers and Joyce from Gates’ staff, but then we keep another member of his staff and give him a promotion (as what happens with DOBO/DOVOs) and people are mad. We bring in an assistant from the Big 12 (who earned promotions from Bruce Weber), who has experience at Cleveland State, and has been around the game a long time… and people are mad. Tough crowd… Thete looking at his track record which isn't good.
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Post by ac on Apr 27, 2022 8:37:37 GMT -5
So from what I'm reading on this board if you're an assistant on a team that loses its assistants fault not the head coach.
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Post by vikesfan on Apr 27, 2022 8:52:26 GMT -5
So people on here wanted us to keep Summers and Joyce from Gates’ staff, but then we keep another member of his staff and give him a promotion (as what happens with DOBO/DOVOs) and people are mad. We bring in an assistant from the Big 12 (who earned promotions from Bruce Weber), who has experience at Cleveland State, and has been around the game a long time… and people are mad. Tough crowd… Thete looking at his track record which isn't good. Rob Summers had a resume of 3 losing years at a D2 school and a year as a DOBO on a terrible James Madison team. He turned out just fine… and people were lobbying for him to be the HC. An assistant is only as good as the HC and situation he’s placed in. Jermaine is highly, highly respected by a ton of people in the game.
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