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Post by stanley on Feb 15, 2022 20:36:04 GMT -5
We finish with so many road games because of the NBA all-star weekend events at the Wolstein. That’s the company line (you’re not wrong). But couldn’t we have played last night at home (swapping to play at PFW in early Jan)? And then the final weekend starts Thursday 2/24, exactly 5 days after the Wolstein Center is being used as part of the festivities (and 4 days after the All Star game itself). It just seems lazy to me like that didn’t even try to make it work around one weekend being blacked out. Frankie is correct. This weekend is the only one out due to the All-Star weekend. Even if it takes the NBA a day or two to break down, they're out by Tuesday at the latest.
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Post by gbanks on Feb 15, 2022 20:50:08 GMT -5
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Post by stanley on Feb 16, 2022 15:24:59 GMT -5
So now the bylaw is worthless. I mean, why have league bylaws at all?
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Post by frankiemeatballs on Feb 16, 2022 16:00:17 GMT -5
So now the bylaw is worthless. I mean, why have league bylaws at all? I’ve agreed to disagree on this but it’s what I’ve been saying: you have the bylaw to protect against a last minute surprise exit that leaves you with no options. When a good faith effort is made, you can agree to waive the bylaw so that the student-athletes aren’t punished.
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Post by azvike83 on Feb 16, 2022 16:13:06 GMT -5
The bracket has been updated on the HLT website to reflect all 12 teams...
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Post by gbanks on Feb 16, 2022 16:57:41 GMT -5
My take on the bylaws are they were meant to be punitive and the authors knew that. Indicators point that UIC was one of the primary authors. Now, should the kids be punished for a stupid bylaw, I would say no. However, UIC should have worked within the system (they help create) to get this taken care of. Once they started whining publicly and going scorch earth (since they were leaving they did not care), that internal struggle took on a completely different dynamic.
To sum it up: UIC is saying the rules we make are for others to follow (not us), if you apply our rule to us we will play the victim and be completely disingenuous about our role in it. Very distasteful behavior.
I would have told UIC, the kids can play! However, they cannot represent UIC.
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Post by henrymuto on Feb 17, 2022 18:43:46 GMT -5
UIC now allowed to play in tournament. Great so they got pissed off beat us and now they can play back in. Unreal.
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Post by Hedley Lamarr on Feb 17, 2022 18:49:25 GMT -5
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Post by henrymuto on Feb 17, 2022 21:21:12 GMT -5
Congrats to IUPUI finally getting their 1st division 1 win tonight and did it on the road.
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Post by gbanks on Feb 17, 2022 22:41:37 GMT -5
Congrats to IUPUI finally getting their 1st division 1 win tonight and did it on the road. Kind of glad they got a W. It would of been better if it was against UIC. I view UIC and IUPUI about the same. Both are willing to throw their athletes under the bus.
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Post by henrymuto on Feb 18, 2022 22:59:25 GMT -5
Good news bad news tonight (mostly good but we won't know until the end if it was actually bad)
Wright State upsets Oakland so now CSU just needs to win their next 2 games and the Oakland game would be moot (I am assuming we are going off straight win % for seeding).
This makes that PFW loss hurt that much more as all we would have needed to do would have been to win at Green Bay and that would have wrapped it up for us.
If we win the next 2 games @gb and @det then CSU clinches #1 seed no matter what.
CSU also clinched a top 4 seed tonight with the win and how things fell with the other teams.
The only bad news for tonight is if we end up losing 2 of our last 3 and Wright State wins out then Wright State overtakes us for the higher seed despite us sweeping them this is where us not playing that other game would hurt. They would be 16-6 we would be 15-6.
So if CSU wins 2 out of last 3 they get #1 seed now. Would for sure prefer it to be GB and Detroit and have that last game be a free roll.
If they beat GB and lose the last 2 we could fall out of the top 2 seeds (Oakland wins out they get #1 if Oakland loses once and we lose twice then Wright State gets #1 if they win out)
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Post by gbanks on Feb 18, 2022 23:07:05 GMT -5
We have to hope that YSU or Det can upset WSU.
PFW loss is hovering; but of all the games we where suppose to win, it will be the UIC game that is the worst loss of the season.
The Vikes need to stay hungry on the road.
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Post by henrymuto on Feb 18, 2022 23:14:04 GMT -5
If CSU can win the next 2 won't matter what anyone does. They for sure better win the Green Bay game they are terrible. Then that will leave CSU needing 1 of the final 2 to take #1 seed which would mean if they lose out it will be that much more sickening those UIC and PFW losses. The PFW loss hurts more to me because of the stupid way we lose not once but twice. Allowing them to go entire court length in 4 seconds to hit a 3 to tie it to go OT then of course can't make 1 FT with 2 shots at it with 1 second left.
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Post by henrymuto on Feb 18, 2022 23:31:53 GMT -5
The other bad thing about the UIC and PFW losses is we dropped from a projected 14/15 seed line to a 16 seed now and in some places in the first 4 which I never thought it be possible we could ever be in the first 4. I really never dreamed this team could be a 16 seed either. I really thought it be a 14 seed at worst when they were rocking at 12-2 in the conf.
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Post by ede on Feb 19, 2022 0:47:33 GMT -5
All the viking losses save for the Ohio and BYU game were due to Free throws. Think about that.
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Post by frankiemeatballs on Feb 19, 2022 6:31:12 GMT -5
Update: if Oakland wins out, including beating CSU, they are the top seed. If CSU wins out, including beating Oakland, we are the top seed. CSU also gets the top seed with: An Oakland loss in one of their next three games (to WSU, NKU or PFW) AND by winning the next 3 (at Mil, at GB and at Det). (The final game at Oakland would be meaningless to CSU in this scenario). OR By winning 2 of the next 3 (at Mil, at GB and at Det) AND beating Oakland in the final game. Summary: Without an Oakland loss we have to win out. With an Oakland loss we can win the next 3 and still lose to Oakland to be the top seed or lose one more as long as we beat Oakland. There’s also a scenario where we can win it by going 2-2 with a loss to Oakland, but that involves 2 Oakland losses and 1 loss each from NKU and WSU. Update with the Oakland and NKU losses. The 5 loss scenario assumes Oakland and WSU winning out: We’re the top seed with 2 more wins. We can win the next two and the Oakland game won’t matter. Or go 1-1 and beat Oakland. The 6 loss scenario involves a bit of help: We’re the top seed even with 2 more losses. We would need 1 more Oakland loss and 1 more WSU loss. Oakland plays NKU and PFW before us. WSU plays at Det and then home vs. YSU and RMU. There’s a chance we can clinch tomorrow, if we win at GB, Oak loses vs. NKU and WSU loses at Det (not a far fetched scenario).
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Post by henrymuto on Feb 19, 2022 16:02:54 GMT -5
Appleby hit some amazing clutch 3s against Auburn today...how did we let this guy get away.
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Post by ede on Feb 19, 2022 16:26:05 GMT -5
Appleby hit some amazing clutch 3s against Auburn today...how did we let this guy get away. We didn't, Gates couldn't convince him to stay. Johnson did and it was a good decision for him.
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Post by gbanks on Feb 19, 2022 18:04:58 GMT -5
Appleby hit some amazing clutch 3s against Auburn today...how did we let this guy get away. He was part of the mass exodus of players that left during Dennis Felton 2nd year. Ironically it started with Rashad Williams and snow balled to almost the entire team.
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Post by frankiemeatballs on Feb 20, 2022 10:37:44 GMT -5
What we need to happen today:
1pm Detroit (6-0 at home/winners of 6 of last 9 overall) beat Wright State (7-6 away/losers of 4 of last 9 overall)
3pm CSU (4-4 away) beat Green Bay (4-8 at home/9 game losing streak overall)
3pm Northern Kentucky (6-7 away/winners of 9 of last 11 overall) beat Oakland (8-1 at home/losers of 4 of last 6 overall)
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Post by frankiemeatballs on Feb 20, 2022 10:44:21 GMT -5
What we need to happen today: 1pm Detroit (6-0 at home/winners of 6 of last 9 overall) beat Wright State (7-6 away/losers of 4 of last 9 overall) 3pm CSU (4-4 away) beat Green Bay (4-8 at home/9 game losing streak overall) 3pm Northern Kentucky (6-7 away/winners of 9 of last 11 overall) beat Oakland (8-1 at home/losers of 4 of last 6 overall) The above scenario happens, CSU clinches the regular season championship. That scenario plus a PFW win at Milwaukee puts PFW into the 2 seed, NKU would be 3rd, Oakland 4th and WSU 5th.
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Post by henrymuto on Feb 20, 2022 13:02:18 GMT -5
What we need to happen today: 1pm Detroit (6-0 at home/winners of 6 of last 9 overall) beat Wright State (7-6 away/losers of 4 of last 9 overall) 3pm CSU (4-4 away) beat Green Bay (4-8 at home/9 game losing streak overall) 3pm Northern Kentucky (6-7 away/winners of 9 of last 11 overall) beat Oakland (8-1 at home/losers of 4 of last 6 overall) The above scenario happens, CSU clinches the regular season championship. That scenario plus a PFW win at Milwaukee puts PFW into the 2 seed, NKU would be 3rd, Oakland 4th and WSU 5th. Those being the 4/5 teams with us being the 1 would be a bad result. We would play 1 of the top 3 teams in the league in the semis the point of the 1 seed is to not face the better teams until finals and all because we couldn't stop a guy from going coast to coast in 4 seconds for a clean 3 or couldn't hit 1 of 2 FT's with 1 second left. That said we have 2 more games after today for everyone I wouldn't expect PFW to hold the 2.
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Post by frankiemeatballs on Feb 20, 2022 13:37:05 GMT -5
The above scenario happens, CSU clinches the regular season championship. That scenario plus a PFW win at Milwaukee puts PFW into the 2 seed, NKU would be 3rd, Oakland 4th and WSU 5th. Those being the 4/5 teams with us being the 1 would be a bad result. We would play 1 of the top 3 teams in the league in the semis the point of the 1 seed is to not face the better teams until finals and all because we couldn't stop a guy from going coast to coast in 4 seconds for a clean 3 or couldn't hit 1 of 2 FT's with 1 second left. That said we have 2 more games after today for everyone I wouldn't expect PFW to hold the 2. You have no idea how it will play out. Last year we faced the 10 seed in the quarters and the 8 seed in the semis because of the resetting of seeds after each round. That type of reshuffling is possible again this year with solid teams in the middle and the top teams slumping (outside of PFW and NKU). And honestly, of all the teams we’ve played this year, PFW is the team I want to avoid most. Also, I don’t know if you’ve been watching WSU lately but they’re definitely not playing like a top 3 team.
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Post by henrymuto on Feb 20, 2022 13:48:04 GMT -5
Detroit pounding Wright State right now. I don't see CSU winning at Detroit so better hope Detroit hangs onto this win then we would clinch a top 2 seed today with a win that we better get. Everything is going to come back to the PFW loss for why we didn't get a #1 seed if we lose at Det and at Oakland.
Your right I forgot about the rules that it isn't a set format of 1 vs 4/5 winner if your the 1 you would play the lowest team that wins.
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Post by henrymuto on Feb 20, 2022 14:38:32 GMT -5
Detroit was up 26 with 12 minutes left
Detroit was up 22 with 9 minutes left
Detroit is now up just 10 with 5 minutes left..............
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Post by henrymuto on Feb 20, 2022 14:40:47 GMT -5
Detroit imploding lead down to 7 with 4 minutes left unreal
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Post by henrymuto on Feb 20, 2022 14:47:07 GMT -5
Detroit bricks 2 FT's really trying to give this one away and then fouls allowing Wright State to cut it to 5 with 1:46 left.
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Post by henrymuto on Feb 20, 2022 14:54:24 GMT -5
You got to be kidding me Davis gets a technical foul with Detroit up 7 with 28 seconds left................not only that there was a foul on someone else as well.
So 4 FT's and the ball for Wright State ? They could get a 7 point play and tie it.
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Post by theonetheonly on Feb 20, 2022 14:55:18 GMT -5
Wright State loses. If Oakland loses we can clinch. Wright State looks less like a top program and more like a team that just had one elite player without Love they haven’t been impressive.
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Post by henrymuto on Feb 20, 2022 14:57:02 GMT -5
Wright State loses. If Oakland loses we can clinch. Wright State looks less like a top program and more like a team that just had one elite player without Love they haven’t been impressive. I guess that is the power of actually being able to watch the game. Here I am sweating it out and you say it is over. Wright State was down 5 with 28 seconds left when you called game.
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