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Post by theonetheonly on Mar 31, 2022 20:58:49 GMT -5
Good point, just seems pretty one sided to me. It turns the Midmajors into nothing more than glorified Jucos. I'm pretty sure Waters brought Cedric with him. Moore just wanted to come back to Cleveland. The new coach may bring a player or 2 and some player might want to come back home. Both scenarios are independent of the portal. The portal is a drain for mid-majors. What you are saying is that P6 outcasts is good for mid majors. It used to be that mid majors could sift a little more and find those players that did not fit the P6 model (see Appleby and Forbes) and polish them up. Those days are over. There is no scenario that you can convince me that this is a good for a mid major program. The portal is going to have unintended consequences. Gates learned to leverage JUCOs and tended not to develop 4 year players. Why develop inhouse, when you may be developing them for someone else to benefit from your investment. I understand the motivation of individuals to seek the best opportunity. It's in our nature. But, fans are typically fans of teams. I like to see the Vikes get better. Cedric didn’t play at Rutgers. He played at Saint Johns. Moore had multiple options in Ohio to play for.
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Post by theonetheonly on Mar 31, 2022 20:59:51 GMT -5
Also mid major players were leaving long before the portal. Forbes Lewis, Grady etc all left before the portal.
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Post by gbanks on Mar 31, 2022 21:41:08 GMT -5
Also mid major players were leaving long before the portal. Forbes Lewis, Grady etc all left before the portal. Although less formal than today, Verbal Commits has been tracking xfers since 2012. Xfers of 744 in 2012 and in 2021 there were 1728. In less than a decade, It's gotten crazy. Yes, the players you mentioned are listed. Forbes and Grady are much better players entering the portal than many entering the portal these days. Also, CSU was the exception in the in the HL. I suggest CSU was an outlier. This trend is not sustainable. Adaptation for mid majors will only take you so far. The product is degrading at a ever increasing rate. Take a look at the yearly totals in Verbal Commits. As a fan, I don't like it.
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Post by ede on Apr 1, 2022 0:00:36 GMT -5
Also mid major players were leaving long before the portal. Forbes Lewis, Grady etc all left before the portal. Although less formal than today, Verbal Commits has been tracking xfers since 2012. Xfers of 744 in 2012 and in 2021 there were 1728. In less than a decade, It's gotten crazy. Yes, the players you mentioned are listed. Forbes and Grady are much better players entering the portal than many entering the portal these days. Also, CSU was the exception in the in the HL. I suggest CSU was an outlier. This trend is not sustainable. Adaptation for mid majors will only take you so far. The product is degrading at a ever increasing rate. Take a look at the yearly totals in Verbal Commits. As a fan, I don't like it. There's no comparison between those times and now, now it's a free for all. P5 schools are practically on a shopping spree and it's very one sided
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Post by frankiemeatballs on Apr 1, 2022 4:32:59 GMT -5
Good point, just seems pretty one sided to me. It turns the Midmajors into nothing more than glorified Jucos. I'm pretty sure Waters brought Cedric with him. Moore just wanted to come back to Cleveland. The new coach may bring a player or 2 and some player might want to come back home. Both scenarios are independent of the portal. The portal is a drain for mid-majors. What you are saying is that P6 outcasts is good for mid majors. It used to be that mid majors could sift a little more and find those players that did not fit the P6 model (see Appleby and Forbes) and polish them up. Those days are over. There is no scenario that you can convince me that this is a good for a mid major program. The portal is going to have unintended consequences. Gates learned to leverage JUCOs and tended not to develop 4 year players. Why develop inhouse, when you may be developing them for someone else to benefit from your investment. I understand the motivation of individuals to seek the best opportunity. It's in our nature. But, fans are typically fans of teams. I like to see the Vikes get better. Cedric was transferring from St. John’s to find more playing time as a point guard. Waters was coming from Rutgers where he had recruited Jackson. It worked out perfectly. But it wasn’t a package deal. Moore and George Tandy also transferred in that year to be closer to family, but as TOTO mentioned, they had options. Tandy likely would have come to CSU either way due to his situation but I’m doubtful that Moore ends up at CSU without Waters.
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Post by gbanks on Apr 1, 2022 9:58:09 GMT -5
I don't think there is a disagreement with the specifics of the individuals involved when Waters became coach.
I'm only looking at the portal from a Vike fan's perspective and it's impact on the team. I'm willing to listen to anyone who can illustrate that the portal is great for the Vikes. But it would be a hard sell.
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Post by Admin on Apr 1, 2022 11:44:37 GMT -5
I don't think there is a disagreement with the specifics of the individuals involved when Waters became coach. I'm only looking at the portal from a Vike fan's perspective and it's impact on the team. I'm willing to listen to anyone who can illustrate that the portal is great for the Vikes. But it would be a hard sell. Broc Finstuen was pretty good off the bench for CSU last year. He came from the transfer portal
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Post by ede on Apr 1, 2022 11:53:34 GMT -5
I don't think there is a disagreement with the specifics of the individuals involved when Waters became coach. I'm only looking at the portal from a Vike fan's perspective and it's impact on the team. I'm willing to listen to anyone who can illustrate that the portal is great for the Vikes. But it would be a hard sell. Broc Finstuen was pretty good off the bench for CSU last year. He came from the transfer portal There's exception but for the most part the portal sucks for mid Majors.
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Post by gbanks on Apr 1, 2022 12:27:43 GMT -5
I don't think there is a disagreement with the specifics of the individuals involved when Waters became coach. I'm only looking at the portal from a Vike fan's perspective and it's impact on the team. I'm willing to listen to anyone who can illustrate that the portal is great for the Vikes. But it would be a hard sell. Broc Finstuen was pretty good off the bench for CSU last year. He came from the transfer portal Show me a Grady, a Forbes, Appleby, (or players we lost that ended up starting for a P6). Have we gotten a P6 starter from the portal? I'm saying this is one sided transaction portal. All transactions appear as a net loss to me. How is that great for the Vikes?
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Post by Admin on Apr 1, 2022 14:25:59 GMT -5
Jon Harris was a pretty good transfer for Cleveland State too. The transfer portal is a reality of today's world. It's not changing. It's not going away. We can complain all we want but that won't change anything.
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Post by gbanks on Apr 1, 2022 14:57:57 GMT -5
Jon Harris was a pretty good transfer for Cleveland State too. The transfer portal is a reality of today's world. It's not changing. It's not going away. We can complain all we want but that won't change anything. Agreed it's not changing or going away. I just think it's ridiculous to hear someone say it's a good thing. From a pragmatic view, yes it can be leveraged and has to be leveraged. Not because it a great tool; because, that's what we are left with. I did like Gate's approach regarding JUCOs. Which was a big departure from Waters. In today's world, mid majors are better off fishing in the JUCO pond. You get more a finished product (b/c of playing time) with a 2 year life span.
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Post by ede on Apr 2, 2022 16:23:27 GMT -5
Tanner Holden to The Buckeyes. I don't care what anybody says there's something about this that is just wrong,midmajor coaches do all the work to recruit Talent only to have them stolen or taken away by the P5. Total Bullshit
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Post by vikesfan on Apr 5, 2022 14:22:33 GMT -5
Hodge in transferring.
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Post by Admin on Apr 5, 2022 14:25:33 GMT -5
Not surprised at all. Really sucks for us, but as we all expected, he's gonna go to a high major
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Post by ac on Apr 5, 2022 14:44:30 GMT -5
I called Hodge transfer when they lost in horizon league tournament.
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Post by Admin on Apr 5, 2022 14:54:22 GMT -5
Now Tre Gomillion has entered the tranfer portal. Gotta think that the new head coach is an external hire from outside the program.
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Post by theonetheonly on Apr 5, 2022 14:55:07 GMT -5
Tre Gomillion into the portal. Just a reminder we had almost everyone in the portal last time as well. Some of these guys could possibly decide to come back.
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Post by vikesfan on Apr 5, 2022 15:01:43 GMT -5
Wonder if Gates wants those guys as pieces to Mizzou for a year…
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Post by vikesfan on Apr 6, 2022 14:55:28 GMT -5
Micah Parrish is transferring.
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Post by theonetheonly on Apr 6, 2022 15:10:47 GMT -5
Micah Parrish is transferring. That’s a huge blow for them.
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Post by vikesfan on Apr 6, 2022 15:22:02 GMT -5
Mizzou had a 4 star recommit. Believe that takes them to 10 scholarship players with two remaining scholarships. Could be left for Hodge and Gomillion, but Gates is chasing a couple other JUCO and guys in the portal (Sean East and Terry Roberts).
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Post by vikesfan on Apr 7, 2022 18:49:46 GMT -5
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Post by ede on Apr 8, 2022 0:15:37 GMT -5
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Post by theonetheonly on Apr 11, 2022 11:52:30 GMT -5
Chris Greene to the transfer portal
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Post by ac on Apr 11, 2022 12:09:29 GMT -5
Walkon Terry also
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Post by vikesfan on Apr 11, 2022 12:22:50 GMT -5
Mabor Majak also into the portal…
Gomillion committed to Mizzou, would think Hodge follows.
Hopefully we start getting some news from Coach Robinson and his efforts recruiting…
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Post by ac on Apr 11, 2022 12:40:00 GMT -5
Terry Majak,Greene I could be wrong but I think these are guys new coach probably didn't want back
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Post by ac on Apr 11, 2022 12:43:59 GMT -5
Add Jeremy Sanchez to the list
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Post by vikesfan on Apr 11, 2022 12:49:15 GMT -5
Quick update on potential roster next season…
Craig Beaudion (maybe?) Yahel Hill Jayson Woodrich Cole Middleton Anderson Mirambeaux DeShon Parker (maybe?) Deante Johnson (maybe?) Ramar Pryor (still committed) Julian Lual (still committed)
So at least 3 scholarships open, potentially many more with news coming on transfers.
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Post by gbanks on Apr 11, 2022 13:31:30 GMT -5
Quick update on potential roster next season… Craig Beaudion (maybe?) Yahel Hill Jayson Woodrich Cole Middleton Anderson Mirambeaux DeShon Parker (maybe?) Deante Johnson (maybe?) Ramar Pryor (still committed) Julian Lual (still committed) So at least 3 scholarships open, potentially many more with news coming on transfers. I think at this point, you can list everyone as maybe. This is a fairly large turnover, makes me think there is a cultural change. Let's hope the new coach is working something in the background.
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