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Post by vikesfan on Mar 28, 2023 14:10:18 GMT -5
My biggest desire is seeing a proven D1 PG come through the doors to run the show next year.
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Post by csuvikings2014 on Mar 28, 2023 20:44:05 GMT -5
First, welcome to the discussion. Many folks are basically saying " if only the coach would started some combination of the existing players (leaving out the seniors) , we would have won the HL and HLT". Sorry, I'm buying that. Doing the same thing, you typically get same results. Enaruna is a good player, I'm not saying otherwise. Sure he may be quicker than some of the other bigs (see Anton discussion points); but, he also has to guard those guys in the half court. I see fouls and wear and tear. What you see? He wont wont be very quick on the bench (because he is foul trouble). We had a better Spider with Algevon Eichelberger (when healthy). Thus it can be done. As for who the HL draws as players, I don't really care. The coach has to recruit what is required to play for the Vikes (not UIPUI). He knew that when he signed the contract. The job is hard; but, history has illustrated it can be done. Eichelberger was better offensively than Spider, but Spider was better defensively. When I look around the HL, the last good two-way post player in the league was Loudon Love and he got a lot of help from the officials his last couple of years. And he seemed to get winded fairly quickly. So there's an example of a Horizon League big that could do it both ways and he was still flawed compared to what the better conferences get. I'm with Frankiemeatballs on this - Enaruna should be able to comfortably guard any 4 or 5 in the HL. There's just no one that dominating size or skill-wise. Could they use another big guy? Of course. They've always needed another big going back to the Waters' years. Rarely do any mid-major teams have true "big" depth. The 4's and 5's that play in the HL or MAC are there because they just aren't good enough to play at a higher level. The one position they truly need is PG. They don't have a true one right now. They need one with experience. That's the one thing if they don't get that could spell trouble. But if they get an experienced PG and contributors with the other 3 scholarships, they'll be fine.
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Post by vikesfan on Apr 24, 2023 14:00:06 GMT -5
With Debrick committing, I believe we are at 3 open spots?
Roster Updates:
Current Roster: 1. Drew Lowder 2. Ramar Pryor 3. Danny Young (incoming freshman) 4. Jalin Rice (incoming JUCO transfer) 5. Jayson Woodrich 6. Tae Williams 7. Tristan Enaruna 8. Dylan Arnette 9. Chase Robinson 10. KJ Debrick 11. OPEN 12. OPEN 13. OPEN 14. Paxton Payne (walk-on)
Open Spots: 3
Graduates: 1. Spider Johnson 2. Deshon Parker 3. Ya Hill
Transfers: 1. Jamir Price 2. Jason Drake 3. Cole Middleton
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Post by vikesfan on Apr 24, 2023 14:00:59 GMT -5
Jermaine Henderson left the program for a job at Dayton.
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Post by azvike83 on Apr 24, 2023 15:49:44 GMT -5
With Debrick committing, I believe we are at 3 open spots? Roster Updates: Current Roster: 1. Drew Lowder 2. Ramar Pryor 3. Danny Young (incoming freshman) 4. Jalin Rice (incoming JUCO transfer) 5. Jayson Woodrich 6. Tae Williams 7. Tristan Enaruna 8. Dylan Arnette 9. Chase Robinson 10. KJ Debrick 11. OPEN 12. OPEN 13. OPEN 14. Paxton Payne (walk-on) Open Spots: 3 Graduates: 1. Spider Johnson 2. Deshon Parker 3. Ya Hill Transfers: 1. Jamir Price 2. Jason Drake 3. Cole Middleton Roster is coming together nicely!
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Post by vikesfan on Apr 25, 2023 12:07:00 GMT -5
Any early guesses on what the rotation looks like next year? My guess below.
1. Jalin Rice/Daniel Young Drew 2. Drew Lowder/Ramar Pryor/Chase Robinson 3. Tae Williams/Jayson Woodrich 4. Tristan Enaruna 5. KJ Debrick/Dylan Arnette
I would guess coach will always want one if Enaruna and Debrick on the floor.
First subs likely would be Pryor, Woodrich, and Young?
Young Pryor Woodrich Williams Debrick
Then rotate Lowder, Debrick, and Rice back in?
Rice Lowder Pryor Woodrich Enaruna
Can’t wait to see how it come together 6 months from now. Second lineup seems small, but trying to balance floor spacing with keeping your best players on the floor.
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Post by Admin on Apr 25, 2023 13:10:54 GMT -5
Any early guesses on what the rotation looks like next year? My guess below. 1. Jalin Rice/Daniel Young Drew Let's hope they bring in a point guard with some D1 experience to be the starter.
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Post by theonetheonly on Apr 25, 2023 13:26:14 GMT -5
Any early guesses on what the rotation looks like next year? My guess below. 1. Jalin Rice/Daniel Young Drew 2. Drew Lowder/Ramar Pryor/Chase Robinson 3. Tae Williams/Jayson Woodrich 4. Tristan Enaruna 5. KJ Debrick/Dylan Arnette I would guess coach will always want one if Enaruna and Debrick on the floor. First subs likely would be Pryor, Woodrich, and Young? Young Pryor Woodrich Williams Debrick Then rotate Lowder, Debrick, and Rice back in? Rice Lowder Pryor Woodrich Enaruna Can’t wait to see how it come together 6 months from now. Second lineup seems small, but trying to balance floor spacing with keeping your best players on the floor. Tevin Smith will be in the rotation.
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Post by vikesfan on Apr 25, 2023 15:49:43 GMT -5
Update with the Smith signing:
Roster Updates:
Current Roster: 1. Drew Lowder 2. Ramar Pryor 3. Danny Young (incoming freshman) 4. Jalin Rice (incoming JUCO transfer) 5. Jayson Woodrich 6. Tae Williams 7. Tristan Enaruna 8. Dylan Arnette 9. Chase Robinson 10. KJ Debrick 11. Tevin Smith 12. OPEN 13. OPEN 14. Paxton Payne (walk-on)
Open Spots: 2
Graduates: 1. Spider Johnson 2. Deshon Parker 3. Ya Hill
Transfers: 1. Jamir Price 2. Jason Drake 3. Cole Middleton
Newcomers: 1. Daniel Young 2. Jalin Rice 3. KJ Debrick 4. Tevin Smith
My guess on rotation, again who knows cause we’re 6 months out, but this is fun to do:
PG - Rice - 6’3 SG - Smith - 6’5 SF - Williams - 6’7 PF - Enaruna - 6’9 C - KJ Debrick - 6’10
The size in athleticism in that starting lineup is unreal. Rice/Smith/Debrick can all shoot well enough to keep teams honest. Hopefully Enaruna improves. Plus Debrick and Enaruna will pull opposing teams bigs away from the hoop and allow for space to attack downhill. Plus, could be a great defense…
6th man: Lowder Depth: Pryor, Woodrich, Young End of Bench: Arnette, Robinson, Payne
2 open spots left, let’s get a PG huh? Quimari Peterson, you’re on deck…
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Post by ede on Apr 25, 2023 17:28:00 GMT -5
Update with the Smith signing: Roster Updates: Current Roster: 1. Drew Lowder 2. Ramar Pryor 3. Danny Young (incoming freshman) 4. Jalin Rice (incoming JUCO transfer) 5. Jayson Woodrich 6. Tae Williams 7. Tristan Enaruna 8. Dylan Arnette 9. Chase Robinson 10. KJ Debrick 11. Tevin Smith 12. OPEN 13. OPEN 14. Paxton Payne (walk-on) Open Spots: 2 Graduates: 1. Spider Johnson 2. Deshon Parker 3. Ya Hill Transfers: 1. Jamir Price 2. Jason Drake 3. Cole Middleton Newcomers: 1. Daniel Young 2. Jalin Rice 3. KJ Debrick 4. Tevin Smith My guess on rotation, again who knows cause we’re 6 months out, but this is fun to do: PG - Rice - 6’3 SG - Smith - 6’5 SF - Williams - 6’7 PF - Enaruna - 6’9 C - KJ Debrick - 6’10 The size in athleticism in that starting lineup is unreal. Rice/Smith/Debrick can all shoot well enough to keep teams honest. Hopefully Enaruna improves. Plus Debrick and Enaruna will pull opposing teams bigs away from the hoop and allow for space to attack downhill. Plus, could be a great defense… 6th man: Lowder Depth: Pryor, Woodrich, Young End of Bench: Arnette, Robinson, Payne 2 open spots left, let’s get a PG huh? Quimari Peterson, you’re on deck… Wow, is there there such a thing as having too much talent, how is Robinson going to keep them all happy with PT. What a great problem to have.
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Post by cliffdawg on Apr 25, 2023 19:18:46 GMT -5
I predict Young will be the starting PG , Dad was a coach, went to prep school, don’t think he going to be intimidated……Still want another big
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Post by azvike83 on Apr 25, 2023 19:31:44 GMT -5
No way Lowder doesn't start somewhere....
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Post by theonetheonly on Apr 25, 2023 20:49:46 GMT -5
No way Lowder doesn't start somewhere.... There is a very good chance he doesn’t start.
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Post by vikesfan on Apr 25, 2023 21:20:00 GMT -5
I predict Young will be the starting PG , Dad was a coach, went to prep school, don’t think he going to be intimidated……Still want another big I would literally love this. Having that big of an impact freshman would be awesome. We had a few in a row with Forbes, Edwards, and Appleby. Been several years since we had a really good freshman.
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Post by frankiemeatballs on Apr 26, 2023 4:41:16 GMT -5
No way Lowder doesn't start somewhere.... There is a very good chance he doesn’t start. I’m curious on your thoughts here. A hunch or something more concrete? Although I agree that I’d rather see Lowder off the ball, I have a hard time believing Robinson would move away from a senior who started a majority of games last year.
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Post by frankiemeatballs on Apr 26, 2023 4:43:49 GMT -5
There is a very good chance he doesn’t start. I’m curious on your thoughts here. A hunch or something more concrete? Although I agree that I’d rather see Lowder off the ball, I have a hard time believing Robinson would move away from a senior who started a majority of games last year. Taking it further, you could say Lowder would still get starters minutes off the bench, but from where? Williams, Enaruna and now Smith are 30+ mpg guys. Lowder would either be replacing the starting PG (defeating the purpose) or Debrick (going small and bringing back the Enaruna at the 5 debate).
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Post by vikesfan on Apr 26, 2023 7:50:27 GMT -5
I’m curious on your thoughts here. A hunch or something more concrete? Although I agree that I’d rather see Lowder off the ball, I have a hard time believing Robinson would move away from a senior who started a majority of games last year. Taking it further, you could say Lowder would still get starters minutes off the bench, but from where? Williams, Enaruna and now Smith are 30+ mpg guys. Lowder would either be replacing the starting PG (defeating the purpose) or Debrick (going small and bringing back the Enaruna at the 5 debate). This is an interesting exercise haha… You get 200 minutes to disburse in a basketball game to the team. I’ll give Tristan 32 MPG like last year. I’ll live Tae 28 MPG like last year. And I’ll give Tevin Smith 30 MPG like he had at Denver. I now have 110 minutes left. Say the starting PG and Debrick both get 30 MPG replacing the Spider and Parker minutes. I’m now down to 50 minutes. 50 minutes between Lowder, Pryor, Arnette, backup PG, Woodrich. Not a lot. My guess is that Lowder slides into the Yahel Hill role from last season. There is another world where Debrick doesn’t start and you go small with Lowder at the 2, Smith at the 3, Williams at the 4, and Enaruna at the 5. The beauty of the parts and pieces is that we could go ultra big and athletic or small and athletic depending matchups. Hopefully Smith, Williams, Enaruna, Lowder, Woodrich get about 1000 3s up a day this off-season.
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Post by vikesfan on Apr 26, 2023 7:59:07 GMT -5
There is a very good chance he doesn’t start. I’m curious on your thoughts here. A hunch or something more concrete? Although I agree that I’d rather see Lowder off the ball, I have a hard time believing Robinson would move away from a senior who started a majority of games last year. I think Williams and Enaruna are givens in the starting lineup. I’d be shocked if we got Tevin Smith without some sort of guarantee he’d be starting. He’s started 46/55 games since coming to college as a freshman and he played 30 minutes per game last season. I’m an interview about transferring, he said that he wanted his next school to be his last and he’s looking for somewhere that would let him showcase his talent and pursue his dream of the NBA. Hard to think you get him if he’s not feeling like he’s a big piece of the puzzle.
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Post by frankiemeatballs on Apr 26, 2023 8:11:07 GMT -5
Taking it further, you could say Lowder would still get starters minutes off the bench, but from where? Williams, Enaruna and now Smith are 30+ mpg guys. Lowder would either be replacing the starting PG (defeating the purpose) or Debrick (going small and bringing back the Enaruna at the 5 debate). This is an interesting exercise haha… You get 200 minutes to disburse in a basketball game to the team. I’ll give Tristan 32 MPG like last year. I’ll live Tae 28 MPG like last year. And I’ll give Tevin Smith 30 MPG like he had at Denver. I now have 110 minutes left. Say the starting PG and Debrick both get 30 MPG replacing the Spider and Parker minutes. I’m now down to 50 minutes. 50 minutes between Lowder, Pryor, Arnette, backup PG, Woodrich. Not a lot. My guess is that Lowder slides into the Yahel Hill role from last season. There is another world where Debrick doesn’t start and you go small with Lowder at the 2, Smith at the 3, Williams at the 4, and Enaruna at the 5. The beauty of the parts and pieces is that we could go ultra big and athletic or small and athletic depending matchups. Hopefully Smith, Williams, Enaruna, Lowder, Woodrich get about 1000 3s up a day this off-season. Great analysis. I could see Debrick starting but averaging less minutes, say 22-25, and the second unit would go small with Enaruna and Williams sliding over to the 4 and 5 respectively. That could get you more minutes for Lowder as he'd be the 6th man replacing Debrick and playing the 2, and then he'd also be the backup PG. I do also think our best offensive lineup would still be the smaller lineup with Williams and Enaruna as the bigs. Young/Rice/incoming recruit at PG, Lowder at 2, Smith at 3, Williams at 4 and Enaruna at 5. Then Debrick would be the 6th man and would flip the lineup from small to big with everyone sliding down one spot in place of the PG. That starting lineup fits Robinson's MO of 3 guards, 1 wing and 1 big. Like you said, either way they now have options to go big and small and everywhere in between. I like it!
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Post by theonetheonly on Apr 26, 2023 14:24:26 GMT -5
There is a very good chance he doesn’t start. I’m curious on your thoughts here. A hunch or something more concrete? Although I agree that I’d rather see Lowder off the ball, I have a hard time believing Robinson would move away from a senior who started a majority of games last year. I will say a little bit of both. First I just don’t think he is a starting caliber player if your want to compete at a higher level. He had multiple games against higher levels of competition where he got exposed. His decision making isn’t always the best and defensively he is a major liability. He has shown no ability to run the point and playing him as undersized 2 just doesn’t make sense. As for what I heard I will just say I am not surprised that they recruited a starting caliber SG. They know they have 2 players for sure in Tristan and Tae that they feel can be all Horizon players coming into this off season. My guess is they feel like they got 2 more starters so far this off season. None of those 4 can run the Point. The staff is pretty well aware of Lowders limitations at the point. If he makes a dramatic jump as a PG this off season then maybe he ends up being the guy but I would not bet on a guy making that kind of leap this late in his career. I would be pretty surprised if it’s not another option at the PG position.
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Post by vikesfan on Apr 26, 2023 15:22:51 GMT -5
I’m curious on your thoughts here. A hunch or something more concrete? Although I agree that I’d rather see Lowder off the ball, I have a hard time believing Robinson would move away from a senior who started a majority of games last year. I will say a little bit of both. First I just don’t think he is a starting caliber player if your want to compete at a higher level. He had multiple games against higher levels of competition where he got exposed. His decision making isn’t always the best and defensively he is a major liability. He has shown no ability to run the point and playing him as undersized 2 just doesn’t make sense. As for what I heard I will just say I am not surprised that they recruited a starting caliber SG. They know they have 2 players for sure in Tristan and Tae that they feel can be all Horizon players coming into this off season. My guess is they feel like they got 2 more starters so far this off season. None of those 4 can run the Point. The staff is pretty well aware of Lowders limitations at the point. If he makes a dramatic jump as a PG this off season then maybe he ends up being the guy but I would not bet on a guy making that kind of leap this late in his career. I would be pretty surprised if it’s not another option at the PG position. I think it’s important to note that he was a starter last year out of necessity, Robinson had an imperfect roster. As he shapes the roster how he wants it to look, guys roles will change.
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Post by vikesfan on Apr 27, 2023 6:53:38 GMT -5
Cole Middleton committed to D2 Anderson University.
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Post by azvike83 on Apr 27, 2023 9:31:01 GMT -5
Update with the Smith signing: Roster Updates: Current Roster: 1. Drew Lowder 2. Ramar Pryor 3. Danny Young (incoming freshman) 4. Jalin Rice (incoming JUCO transfer) 5. Jayson Woodrich 6. Tae Williams 7. Tristan Enaruna 8. Dylan Arnette 9. Chase Robinson 10. KJ Debrick 11. Tevin Smith 12. OPEN 13. OPEN 14. Paxton Payne (walk-on) Open Spots: 2 Graduates: 1. Spider Johnson 2. Deshon Parker 3. Ya Hill Transfers: 1. Jamir Price 2. Jason Drake 3. Cole Middleton Newcomers: 1. Daniel Young 2. Jalin Rice 3. KJ Debrick 4. Tevin Smith My guess on rotation, again who knows cause we’re 6 months out, but this is fun to do: PG - Rice - 6’3 SG - Smith - 6’5 SF - Williams - 6’7 PF - Enaruna - 6’9 C - KJ Debrick - 6’10 The size in athleticism in that starting lineup is unreal. Rice/Smith/Debrick can all shoot well enough to keep teams honest. Hopefully Enaruna improves. Plus Debrick and Enaruna will pull opposing teams bigs away from the hoop and allow for space to attack downhill. Plus, could be a great defense… 6th man: Lowder Depth: Pryor, Woodrich, Young End of Bench: Arnette, Robinson, Payne 2 open spots left, let’s get a PG huh? Quimari Peterson, you’re on deck… I agree with most of this. I am just not ready to give the keys to a JUCO transfer right away at PG when you have an established D-1 starter in Lowder (who will only improve with PG position definition). I just think if Lowder commits to being more of a pure PG (rather than last season's "combo guard" role that he was given, since we had Parker)....he will continue to improve. Either way, this club is getting to be pretty loaded. I just think PG is Lowder's job to lose, but we'll see....GO VIKES!! my prediction: Lowder PG Smith SG Williams Sf Eneruna PF DeBrick C
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Post by vikesfan on Apr 27, 2023 10:51:41 GMT -5
Update with the Smith signing: Roster Updates: Current Roster: 1. Drew Lowder 2. Ramar Pryor 3. Danny Young (incoming freshman) 4. Jalin Rice (incoming JUCO transfer) 5. Jayson Woodrich 6. Tae Williams 7. Tristan Enaruna 8. Dylan Arnette 9. Chase Robinson 10. KJ Debrick 11. Tevin Smith 12. OPEN 13. OPEN 14. Paxton Payne (walk-on) Open Spots: 2 Graduates: 1. Spider Johnson 2. Deshon Parker 3. Ya Hill Transfers: 1. Jamir Price 2. Jason Drake 3. Cole Middleton Newcomers: 1. Daniel Young 2. Jalin Rice 3. KJ Debrick 4. Tevin Smith My guess on rotation, again who knows cause we’re 6 months out, but this is fun to do: PG - Rice - 6’3 SG - Smith - 6’5 SF - Williams - 6’7 PF - Enaruna - 6’9 C - KJ Debrick - 6’10 The size in athleticism in that starting lineup is unreal. Rice/Smith/Debrick can all shoot well enough to keep teams honest. Hopefully Enaruna improves. Plus Debrick and Enaruna will pull opposing teams bigs away from the hoop and allow for space to attack downhill. Plus, could be a great defense… 6th man: Lowder Depth: Pryor, Woodrich, Young End of Bench: Arnette, Robinson, Payne 2 open spots left, let’s get a PG huh? Quimari Peterson, you’re on deck… I agree with most of this. I am just not ready to give the keys to a JUCO transfer right away at PG when you have an established D-1 starter in Lowder (who will only improve with PG position definition). I just think if Lowder commits to being more of a pure PG (rather than last season's "combo guard" role that he was given, since we had Parker)....he will continue to improve. Either way, this club is getting to be pretty loaded. I just think PG is Lowder's job to lose, but we'll see....GO VIKES!! my prediction: Lowder PG Smith SG Williams Sf Eneruna PF DeBrick C I hear you on this. I just salivate over the thought of Lowder in the Ya Hill role last season. Lowder in that role is a massive upgrade in terms of productivity. That will entail playing both PG and off the ball at times. Also, will allow us to have the depth to ride the hot hand in games and feel great about who’s out there.
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Post by gbanks on Apr 29, 2023 10:16:45 GMT -5
I really hope one of the newbies is a decent shooter. We really lacked that last year. Otherwise, I would like to see Pryor and Lowder consume more minutes on the court and less for Williams. I see Smith mentioned often in this thread, can he space the floor?
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Post by vikesfan on Apr 29, 2023 10:58:01 GMT -5
I really hope one of the newbies is a decent shooter. We really lacked that last year. Otherwise, I would like to see Pryor and Lowder consume more minutes on the court and less for Williams. I see Smith mentioned often in this thread, can he space the floor? I believe I read his collegiate average is 33% from 3 which is what Lowder and Woody show last year. So not a sharpshooter by any means but has to be respected.
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Post by frankiemeatballs on May 7, 2023 8:00:27 GMT -5
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Post by gbanks on May 8, 2023 16:11:27 GMT -5
Really like the recruiting that has taken place and the way the lineup is shaping up. A wing sharpshooter is next on the Christmas list. Have to hand to the coach and staff. Looking good.
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Post by azvike83 on May 8, 2023 16:45:20 GMT -5
Agree on one more shooter (as posted on another thread).
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Post by Admin on May 8, 2023 21:17:34 GMT -5
With the one scholarship left, the biggest need is a player who can shoot the 3. They have addressed the big men for the roster. Added a big guard who seems like he can score a little in Tevin Smith. Just need a 3 point shooter badly.
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