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Post by frankiemeatballs on Mar 26, 2021 3:34:05 GMT -5
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Post by theonetheonly on Mar 26, 2021 10:35:49 GMT -5
I have been told with Shaka Smart going to Marquette that Dennis Gates will be returning as coach of Cleveland State.
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Post by gbanks on Mar 26, 2021 11:30:02 GMT -5
I have been told with Shaka Smart going to Marquette that Dennis Gates will be returning as coach of Cleveland State. That is great news. However, CSU still needs to consider this a "Near Miss" and step up to provide funding to Gates, his staff and the program.
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Post by ede on Mar 26, 2021 16:13:44 GMT -5
I have been told with Shaka Smart going to Marquette that Dennis Gates will be returning as coach of Cleveland State. That is great news. However, CSU still needs to consider this a "Near Miss" and step up to provide funding to Gates, his staff and the program. yes indeed, Garrett said they were going to do just that in the Pluto article.
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Post by ede on Mar 26, 2021 16:16:08 GMT -5
That is great news. However, CSU still needs to consider this a "Near Miss" and step up to provide funding to Gates, his staff and the program. yes indeed, Garrett said they were going to do just that in the Pluto article. Multi year deal and 400,000/year and a raise for his assistants will keep the P5 programs at bay. Make it happen Garrett,find that $$$$
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Post by frankiemeatballs on Mar 29, 2021 5:42:38 GMT -5
I have been told with Shaka Smart going to Marquette that Dennis Gates will be returning as coach of Cleveland State. Was this statement made thinking that DePaul was already filled? Payne has since turned the job down and Gates is still rumored to be a target.
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Post by frankiemeatballs on Mar 29, 2021 5:44:05 GMT -5
yes indeed, Garrett said they were going to do just that in the Pluto article. Multi year deal and 400,000/year and a raise for his assistants will keep the P5 programs at bay. Make it happen Garrett,find that $$$$ That sort of investment would be great and would help fend off some of the lesser jobs, but $400,000 is peanuts compared to what a P5 coach makes.
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Post by gbanks on Mar 29, 2021 9:56:57 GMT -5
I have been told with Shaka Smart going to Marquette that Dennis Gates will be returning as coach of Cleveland State. Was this statement made thinking that DePaul was already filled? Payne has since turned the job down and Gates is still rumored to be a target. There was an article written by Terry Pluto (March 27) that may address this. Coach Dennis Gates preparing CSU for another excellent season – Terry Pluto
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Post by frankiemeatballs on Mar 29, 2021 11:17:30 GMT -5
I loved that article and appreciate that Gates is already working towards next year. I hope that having a regular offseason for the first time would be enticing to return. But I don’t like this quote: “All I’m thinking about is Cleveland State” is better than “I’ll definitely be back next season” but it’s also not much of a commitment either.
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Post by theonetheonly on Mar 29, 2021 11:20:58 GMT -5
I have been told with Shaka Smart going to Marquette that Dennis Gates will be returning as coach of Cleveland State. Was this statement made thinking that DePaul was already filled? Payne has since turned the job down and Gates is still rumored to be a target. Yes. People I talked to thought DePaul was finished. They were all shocked about Indiana yesterday also and Mike Woodson. The prevailing thought was Indiana was waiting on Moser and that he must have turned them down. It’s been a weird off season for coaching hires and decision making. Some schools jumped the gun and hired with all the teams still in the NCAA tournament others waited for a guy to get out of the tournament and then got turned down by that guy. Normally if you are waiting for a guy you have some sort of assurance that they are accepting the job.
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Post by ac on Mar 29, 2021 12:56:05 GMT -5
Other than pay increase is that Depaul job attractive as it used to be? Nobody has really succeeded since meyers coached there. Indiana really wants Brad Stevens. It also seems that job has lost some luster
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Post by gbanks on Mar 29, 2021 15:38:31 GMT -5
I loved that article and appreciate that Gates is already working towards next year. I hope that having a regular offseason for the first time would be enticing to return. But I don’t like this quote: “All I’m thinking about is Cleveland State” is better than “I’ll definitely be back next season” but it’s also not much of a commitment either. Not worried about the Hire/Fire statement. It could mean various things or nothing. <--- kind of like my statement The longer this goes on, I'm beginning to think like AC and Big D: It's a small body of work and the only tournament result (beatdown) would not be an easy to sell to P5 boosters. This is good for the Vikes. I'm all for Gates building his body of work at CSU with successful Tournament results.
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Post by ede on Mar 29, 2021 16:12:06 GMT -5
Multi year deal and 400,000/year and a raise for his assistants will keep the P5 programs at bay. Make it happen Garrett,find that $$$$ That sort of investment would be great and would help fend off some of the lesser jobs, but $400,000 is peanuts compared to what a P5 coach makes. I agree Frankie, P5 jobs are 1 mill and up
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Post by theonetheonly on Mar 29, 2021 20:08:05 GMT -5
I loved that article and appreciate that Gates is already working towards next year. I hope that having a regular offseason for the first time would be enticing to return. But I don’t like this quote: “All I’m thinking about is Cleveland State” is better than “I’ll definitely be back next season” but it’s also not much of a commitment either. Not worried about the Hire/Fire statement. It could mean various things or nothing. <--- kind of like my statement The longer this goes on, I'm beginning to think like AC and Big D: It's a small body of work and the only tournament result (beatdown) would not be an easy to sell to P5 boosters. This is good for the Vikes. I'm all for Gates building his body of work at CSU with successful Tournament results. Dennis Gates might have been an easier sell to Indiana fans then Mike Woodson. I also hate the term P5 in college basketball because to me the Big East jobs are still a power conference in basketball. I keep forgetting that isn’t considered a power conference by some people. DePaul would be strictly about the money. They can offer 7 figures a year.
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Post by stanley on Mar 29, 2021 20:34:06 GMT -5
The longer this goes with Gates still being at CSU, the more likely he will be here next season. No guarantees, but I agree with what gbanks said - at the end of the day, it's only two seasons (and one was 11-21) and a first round blowout in the NCAA's. I think Gates is going to be a star coach when it's all said and done, but right now, you're taking a risk on him if you're hiring him to a P5 (or P6 if you count the Big East) job with the impressive, but short resume as a HC.
I also like how a story or two mentioned Gonzaga and Butler. Butler did it without necessarily keeping one coach, but Brad Stevens was the guy when they made the jump from good mid-major to high-major type program. Gonzaga did it by keeping Few and letting him keep building to where the Bulldogs are one of the top programs in the country.
I think Gates could do that here. Early returns say he can and it appears Sands and Garrett think he can and are saying as much in the stories about CSU lately. Again, it's only a two-year track record, but he's done it HERE in two years. He has as much of a chance of making CSU a power program and becoming a star here than he does anywhere else. While DePaul makes sense for him because he's from Chicago, good luck winning there. They haven't had any sustained success since Joey Meyer was there in the early 90's. Can Gates do it? Maybe. He appears to have CSU on the road to sustained success. But CSU was also successful just two coaches ago under Waters. As recently as 2014, they were second in the HL and if not for the exodus of potential NBA players (Forbes, Lewis) and solid players that could have played high major (Grady, Lomomba), they probably make it to the NCAA Tournament multiple times. Plus, it's a heck of a lot easier to turn a program around in the Horizon League than the Big East.
He's already got it started here and appears to have the entire campus and city behind him. I'm not him, but if I were, I probably stay here at least another year or two and see where it goes. To me, it would only increase my value. And if it starts looking like Butler or Gonzaga in the next two years, I won't have to leave unless I get a ridiculous offer I can't refuse.
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Post by ede on Mar 29, 2021 23:02:54 GMT -5
The Houston/Cleveland State game isn't a fair comparison due to the difference in talent. Give Gates P5 level talent with his style, he beats Houston.
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Post by gbanks on Mar 30, 2021 11:59:17 GMT -5
The Houston/Cleveland State game isn't a fair comparison due to the difference in talent. Give Gates P5 level talent with his style, he beats Houston. It's not only fair, it's necessary. If you want to play DI sports and be eligible to compete in the same turnourment; then you are saying I'm here to compete against the best. That becomes your measuring stick. Otherwise drop to D2. No whining about a participation trophy allowed.
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Post by stanley on Mar 30, 2021 13:14:26 GMT -5
The Houston/Cleveland State game isn't a fair comparison due to the difference in talent. Give Gates P5 level talent with his style, he beats Houston. You missed the point. Gates is obviously impressive or CSU wouldn't want him to stay and other schools wouldn't be looking at him. But he also has a blowout NCAA loss and an 11-21 record in first year. Big schools are looking at all of it and are not hypothesizing, "Well, if he had similar talent, he may beat Houston." That's not the way it works.
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Post by ede on Mar 30, 2021 16:14:24 GMT -5
The Houston/Cleveland State game isn't a fair comparison due to the difference in talent. Give Gates P5 level talent with his style, he beats Houston. You missed the point. Gates is obviously impressive or CSU wouldn't want him to stay and other schools wouldn't be looking at him. But he also has a blowout NCAA loss and an 11-21 record in first year. Big schools are looking at all of it and are not hypothesizing, "Well, if he had similar talent, he may beat Houston." That's not the way it works. Any AD worth his. Salt would recognize the talent difference. In Houston vs. Cleveland State. Any P5 AD looking at Gates would be thinking "give this guy the resources and Talent and we can go far with him" Gates didn't lose the Houston game, it was the lack of talent that did it. A good AD would know this.
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Post by ac on Mar 30, 2021 17:08:22 GMT -5
What AD notice is if a coach can keep it close or beat teams with superior talent
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Post by ede on Mar 30, 2021 17:19:23 GMT -5
What AD notice is if a coach can keep it close or beat teams with superior talent that too
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Post by ede on Mar 30, 2021 17:20:03 GMT -5
The Houston/Cleveland State game isn't a fair comparison due to the difference in talent. Give Gates P5 level talent with his style, he beats Houston. It's not only fair, it's necessary. If you want to play DI sports and be eligible to compete in the same turnourment; then you are saying I'm here to compete against the best. That becomes your measuring stick. Otherwise drop to D2. No whining about a participation trophy allowed. your missing my point,but ok
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Post by gbanks on Mar 30, 2021 18:58:59 GMT -5
It's not only fair, it's necessary. If you want to play DI sports and be eligible to compete in the same turnourment; then you are saying I'm here to compete against the best. That becomes your measuring stick. Otherwise drop to D2. No whining about a participation trophy allowed. your missing my point,but ok In isolation, I understood. Let me rephrase: Most of the time, matchups are not equal across the board (or any place on the board). So you have to be creative to optimize your outcome (find a way to win games). Gates has shown he can do that. However, it may not be to obvious to a booster at a P5 school (yes I said it P5, P5, P5 ...). The absolute results (the butt kicking by Houston) is an easier observation for the P5 booster. The AD would have to sell the P5 booster "the hard to quantify stuff" to overcome the overall track record. The AD pauses to visualize a long unemployment line during a pandemic. Then thinks of his family and realizes his wife may not consider the pending conversation with the affluent P5 booster a good decision. Hence the AD reconsiders that line thought and chooses the next guy. So the next time you look for a car and the sales guy says "it may look beater.. but ... ". I bet stop listening after that.
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Post by ede on Apr 10, 2021 7:34:52 GMT -5
Gates now linked to Cincinnati job
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Post by stanley on Apr 10, 2021 11:40:10 GMT -5
Good news/bad news if you're a CSU fan:
Bad news: Dennis Gates is linked to the UC job.
Good news: He's been linked to just about every HC opening in the past month and hasn't been a finalist for one of them.
Bad news: UC looks like a lot better fit than most of the other jobs to which he was linked.
Good news: Archie Miller would seem to be the obvious choice, with a solid resume (minus Indiana, which is a bad fit for everybody, it seems, since Bobby Knight), including a very solid stint in the same area at Dayton. To me, unless there's some bad feelings between him and UC for some reason, I can't imagine them making someone else their top choice, but if they do, I would think Darren Savino would be the guy with his becoming the hot assistant after UCLA's run and his long-time ties to UC.
We'll see what happens.
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Post by theonetheonly on Apr 10, 2021 14:29:41 GMT -5
Good news/bad news if you're a CSU fan: Bad news: Dennis Gates is linked to the UC job. Good news: He's been linked to just about every HC opening in the past month and hasn't been a finalist for one of them. Bad news: UC looks like a lot better fit than most of the other jobs to which he was linked. Good news: Archie Miller would seem to be the obvious choice, with a solid resume (minus Indiana, which is a bad fit for everybody, it seems, since Bobby Knight), including a very solid stint in the same area at Dayton. To me, unless there's some bad feelings between him and UC for some reason, I can't imagine them making someone else their top choice, but if they do, I would think Darren Savino would be the guy with his becoming the hot assistant after UCLA's run and his long-time ties to UC. We'll see what happens. bad news: even if he is staying at CSU, having his name brought up again a few days before the late signing period hurts your recruiting effort. Every team you are recruiting against is telling your potential recruits that they don't want to commit to CSU because your coach is not committed to CSU and looking for another job. It's happening to us right now too because Nagy is also being mentioned for the UC job. The sooner that job is filled, the better. He isn’t one of UCs top 3 choices
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Post by ede on Apr 10, 2021 14:45:47 GMT -5
bad news: even if he is staying at CSU, having his name brought up again a few days before the late signing period hurts your recruiting effort. Every team you are recruiting against is telling your potential recruits that they don't want to commit to CSU because your coach is not committed to CSU and looking for another job. It's happening to us right now too because Nagy is also being mentioned for the UC job. The sooner that job is filled, the better. He isn’t one of UCs top 3 choices True but just having his name brought up gives other Schools ammo to steal a potential recruit. Been reading up on Cole,Lotta teams now want Middleton. He's more highly touted than when Gates first started recruiting him.They can use this to steal him if the wanted. Rumor is he's grown some. Could be 6-8 now. Hope Miller takes the Cincy job.
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Post by gbanks on Apr 10, 2021 16:51:31 GMT -5
At this point, I'm betting Gates is staying. Also, not as concerned as BigD is regarding what other coaches are saying. I suspect they would be spinning some story anyway. Stories about Gates being recruited for high-profile jobs could be leveraged to sell the recruit that Gates is a top-notch coach. Playing for a coach that P5 schools are considering will help overcome the normal issues of selling the recruit about playing in a lower mid-major conference such as the HL.
After all, the recruit is able to see the same thing that High major schools are seeing. The quick turnaround story and a history building success. It’s not hard for the recruit to visualize boarding that train in which they star in the next to step of success.
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Post by ede on Apr 11, 2021 12:05:11 GMT -5
Yet even more articles about Gates and Cincinnati,its like the Media is pushing for him to leave. Can't wait til that job is filled,not by Gates hopefully.
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Post by azvike83 on Apr 12, 2021 9:23:34 GMT -5
For some reason I just don't see Gates taking the Cincinnati job.....sure hope I'm right...
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