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Post by ede on Mar 19, 2022 13:24:00 GMT -5
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Post by ede on Mar 19, 2022 13:24:41 GMT -5
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Post by azvike83 on Mar 19, 2022 13:46:21 GMT -5
It hasn't happened yet....
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Post by theonetheonly on Mar 19, 2022 14:09:45 GMT -5
This Mizzou thing is looking serious. We need to promote either Summers and the next assistant so we don't have massive transfers. We'll be rebuilding all over again. I really want to Keep Pryor and Young. They need to hire the best coach possible. You don’t promote a guy just for the chance you might have stability. It’s the transfer era there is no guarantee many of these guys will stay anyway. I would be surprised if Hodge doesn’t follow Gates. You don’t need to rebuild for long or almost at all. A new coach is going to be able to attack the transfer portal and Jucos like crazy.
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Post by frankiemeatballs on Mar 19, 2022 14:21:17 GMT -5
Jermaine Kimbrough always seems to be an option and you’d have to like his local ties. He’s put together a pretty impressive resume since leaving CSU and has worked with some top notch coaches, including this year with Bobby Hurley at ASU (although they weren’t very good).
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Post by ede on Mar 19, 2022 14:34:06 GMT -5
This Mizzou thing is looking serious. We need to promote either Summers and the next assistant so we don't have massive transfers. We'll be rebuilding all over again. I really want to Keep Pryor and Young. They need to hire the best coach possible. You don’t promote a guy just for the chance you might have stability. It’s the transfer era there is no guarantee many of these guys will stay anyway. I would be surprised if Hodge doesn’t follow Gates. You don’t need to rebuild for long or almost at all. A new coach is going to be able to attack the transfer portal and Jucos like crazy. Nonsense!!! We need to maintain stability. see if u can keep Summers. To maintain the upward trajectory the program is on. We have to follow the same formula that Wichita State and Butler has followed so their is no drop off. We have another good class coming in. We need to keep that. Program stability above all else.
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Post by ede on Mar 19, 2022 14:36:54 GMT -5
Jermaine Kimbrough always seems to be an option and you’d have to like his local ties. He’s put together a pretty impressive resume since leaving CSU and has worked with some top notch coaches, including this year with Bobby Hurley at ASU (although they weren’t very good). No is if we can keep Summers first.
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Post by ede on Mar 19, 2022 14:37:16 GMT -5
It hasn't happened yet.... it will
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Post by frankiemeatballs on Mar 19, 2022 14:50:59 GMT -5
They need to hire the best coach possible. You don’t promote a guy just for the chance you might have stability. It’s the transfer era there is no guarantee many of these guys will stay anyway. I would be surprised if Hodge doesn’t follow Gates. You don’t need to rebuild for long or almost at all. A new coach is going to be able to attack the transfer portal and Jucos like crazy. Nonsense!!! We need to maintain stability. see if u can keep Summers. To maintain the upward trajectory the program is on. We have to follow the same formula that Wichita State and Butler has followed so their is no drop off. We have another good class coming in. We need to keep that. Program stability above all else. I think TOTO’s point is you have to be sure you’re hiring the best option. You could hire Summers for stability and he turns out to be a dud as a D1 head coach and stability won’t matter. We’ll be terrible and all the players will transfer anyway. If you bring in a good coach, like Gates, they’ll reshape the roster in their image however needed - transfer portal, jucos, etc. A good coach will win and a bad coach will lose, regardless of stability/continuity. Now I agree it would be great to have both. But Summers isn’t a guarantee. (And btw I was the first one propping up Summers as a candidate during the season *last season* so I see the value there)
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Post by ede on Mar 19, 2022 15:15:01 GMT -5
I see what you are saying. My point is Summers will maintain what has worked at Cleveland State. Defense first. And a family/team atmosphere and Culture Look how close the team is and how the root for each other. That will continue under Summers. If he doesn't got to Mizzou.
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Post by gbanks on Mar 19, 2022 15:24:13 GMT -5
According to Pluto, looks like Gates is gone. Definitely a year sooner than I thought. Good coach, I wish him the best.
At least this time the AD has a little time to pick up someone before next season. Hopefully the new coach can get some of these guys to stay.
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Post by ede on Mar 19, 2022 15:54:26 GMT -5
According to Pluto, looks like Gates is gone. Definitely a year sooner than I thought. Good coach, I wish him the best. At least this time the AD has a little time to pick up someone before next season. Hopefully the new coach can get some of these guys to stay. Beat me to it.
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Post by ede on Mar 19, 2022 16:08:05 GMT -5
Hope they give Summers and Joyce a shot, if not their Ben McCollum whose turned NW Missouri into a powerhouse D2 program. Kimbrough is another good choice. And Akron assistant maybe? Travis Steele? He knows Ohio very well.
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Post by frankiemeatballs on Mar 19, 2022 17:36:00 GMT -5
Jermaine Henderson could be a name to keep an eye on. Columbus native, former CSU assistant, and his time as a K-State assistant overlapped with Garrett. Bruce Weber is stepping down so Henderson will likely be looking for work.
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Post by theonetheonly on Mar 19, 2022 17:50:32 GMT -5
One thing that should give us some confidence is that the guy that finished second for the Cleveland State job Jordan Mincy has done a real nice job at Jacksonville so far.
I think Cleveland State needs to look beyond the current staff.
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Post by frankiemeatballs on Mar 19, 2022 18:06:12 GMT -5
One thing that should give us some confidence is that the guy that finished second for the Cleveland State job Jordan Mincy has done a real nice job at Jacksonville so far. I think Cleveland State needs to look beyond the current staff. I wondered if Mincy could even be a candidate but then I saw he just signed an extension that runs through 2031. I mentioned earlier how the buyout in the Gates contract could help us. There are some successful low major coaches making less than $200,000 per year. There’s no reason CSU couldn’t offer to double that if they wanted someone with success as a head coach.
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Post by ede on Mar 19, 2022 18:47:35 GMT -5
One thing that should give us some confidence is that the guy that finished second for the Cleveland State job Jordan Mincy has done a real nice job at Jacksonville so far. I think Cleveland State needs to look beyond the current staff. I wondered if Mincy could even be a candidate but then I saw he just signed an extension that runs through 2031. I mentioned earlier how the buyout in the Gates contract could help us. There are some successful low major coaches making less than $200,000 per year. There’s no reason CSU couldn’t offer to double that if they wanted someone with success as a head coach. We need to avoid rebuilding all over again. Xavier will easily bounce back after losing its entire staff under Steele. South Carolina will bounce back, but mid/low major teams don't bounce back like that. It not as easy to rebuild( see Buffalo) That's why I want Summers/Joyce if they don't go to Mizzou with Gates. They will maintain the winning Culture and stability. If not. Everyone transfers and it's a complete rebuild. Then next u know it's Felton all over again with a shitty team.
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Post by frankiemeatballs on Mar 19, 2022 19:26:04 GMT -5
I wondered if Mincy could even be a candidate but then I saw he just signed an extension that runs through 2031. I mentioned earlier how the buyout in the Gates contract could help us. There are some successful low major coaches making less than $200,000 per year. There’s no reason CSU couldn’t offer to double that if they wanted someone with success as a head coach. We need to avoid rebuilding all over again. Xavier will easily bounce back after losing its entire staff under Steele. South Carolina will bounce back, but mid/low major teams don't bounce back like that. It not as easy to rebuild( see Buffalo) That's why I want Summers/Joyce if they don't go to Mizzou with Gates. They will maintain the winning Culture and stability. If not. Everyone transfers and it's a complete rebuild. Then next u know it's Felton all over again with a shitty team. I don’t disagree with the strategy. The problem is we don’t know if Summers will be a good head coach. All the stability and culture in the world won’t matter if our head coach can’t coach. I’d be fine with Summers. I’d also understand bringing in someone from the outside with a better resume, preferably someone with success as a D1 head coach.
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Post by ede on Mar 19, 2022 19:40:21 GMT -5
We need to avoid rebuilding all over again. Xavier will easily bounce back after losing its entire staff under Steele. South Carolina will bounce back, but mid/low major teams don't bounce back like that. It not as easy to rebuild( see Buffalo) That's why I want Summers/Joyce if they don't go to Mizzou with Gates. They will maintain the winning Culture and stability. If not. Everyone transfers and it's a complete rebuild. Then next u know it's Felton all over again with a shitty team. I don’t disagree with the strategy. The problem is we don’t know if Summers will be a good head coach. All the stability and culture in the world won’t matter if our head coach can’t coach. I’d be fine with Summers. I’d also understand bringing in someone from the outside with a better resume, preferably someone with success as a D1 head coach. Don't u think he ok r Joyce deserves a shot??? He was apart of one of the most successful CSU coach staff behind only MACKEY and Waters staff.
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Post by ede on Mar 19, 2022 19:40:59 GMT -5
I don’t disagree with the strategy. The problem is we don’t know if Summers will be a good head coach. All the stability and culture in the world won’t matter if our head coach can’t coach. I’d be fine with Summers. I’d also understand bringing in someone from the outside with a better resume, preferably someone with success as a D1 head coach. Don't u think he and/or Joyce deserves a shot??? He was apart of one of the most successful CSU coach staff behind only MACKEY and Waters staff.
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Post by frankiemeatballs on Mar 19, 2022 20:11:12 GMT -5
I don’t disagree with the strategy. The problem is we don’t know if Summers will be a good head coach. All the stability and culture in the world won’t matter if our head coach can’t coach. I’d be fine with Summers. I’d also understand bringing in someone from the outside with a better resume, preferably someone with success as a D1 head coach. Don't u think he ok r Joyce deserves a shot??? He was apart of one of the most successful CSU coach staff behind only MACKEY and Waters staff. Sure. I’d be happy with that. I’d also be fine with Kimbrough or Henderson. Or someone like Jordan Mincy who we almost hired last time. I don’t just automatically assume that our assistant is the best person for the job just because he’s our assistant. I hope he wins the job as part of an open search.
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Post by ede on Mar 19, 2022 20:21:46 GMT -5
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Post by gbanks on Mar 19, 2022 20:32:59 GMT -5
Hey TOTO, how about Chris Carrawell the assistant at Duke? I figure you may know something about him.
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Post by theonetheonly on Mar 19, 2022 20:36:07 GMT -5
I don’t disagree with the strategy. The problem is we don’t know if Summers will be a good head coach. All the stability and culture in the world won’t matter if our head coach can’t coach. I’d be fine with Summers. I’d also understand bringing in someone from the outside with a better resume, preferably someone with success as a D1 head coach. Don't u think he ok r Joyce deserves a shot??? He was apart of one of the most successful CSU coach staff behind only MACKEY and Waters staff. No I don’t necessarily think he deserves a shot. I think they need to explore all options. It’s not like this is a team filled with talent that just made it to the sweet 16. It’s a team that got knocked out of the first round of the NIT versus a team who fired their coach. If guys transfer out we will bring new talent in. The key is getting the best coach possible. It goes beyond next season. It’s about hiring the right guy for the next 3-5.
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Post by ede on Mar 19, 2022 20:38:33 GMT -5
Don't u think he ok r Joyce deserves a shot??? He was apart of one of the most successful CSU coach staff behind only MACKEY and Waters staff. No I don’t necessarily think he deserves a shot. I think they need to explore all options. It’s not like this is a team filled with talent that just made it to the sweet 16. It’s a team that got knocked out of the first round of the NIT versus a team who fired their coach. If guys transfer out we will bring new talent in. The key is getting the best coach possible. It goes beyond next season. It’s about hiring the right guy for the next 3-5. so then you got a rebuilding job all over again remember mid-majors don't bounce back the way high Majors do get ready for a sub 500 record. The Butler formula has proven to work
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Post by theonetheonly on Mar 19, 2022 20:42:31 GMT -5
Hey TOTO, how about Chris Carrawell the assistant at Duke? I figure you may know something about him. It’s so hard to say anything about assistant coaches because the head coach position is almost a completely different job. In football you see it more often. There are guys that are phenomenal coordinators but they struggle in the head coach position. The head coach for basketball needs to be a great CEO. I think it’s tougher for people to identify who is a great assistant in basketball let alone who has the qualities to be a head coach. I trust our AD to do a full search. He hit it out of the ball park under a extremely difficult situation. Someone could make the argument that he got lucky but when I see the guy that finished second Jordan Mincy having great success it gives me confidence he is able to identify that CEO type in the interviews.
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Post by theonetheonly on Mar 19, 2022 20:44:16 GMT -5
No I don’t necessarily think he deserves a shot. I think they need to explore all options. It’s not like this is a team filled with talent that just made it to the sweet 16. It’s a team that got knocked out of the first round of the NIT versus a team who fired their coach. If guys transfer out we will bring new talent in. The key is getting the best coach possible. It goes beyond next season. It’s about hiring the right guy for the next 3-5. so then you got a rebuilding job all over again remember mid-majors don't bounce back the way high Majors do get ready for a sub 500 record. The Butler formula has proven to work What are you talking about? You just had a coach who went from 3 guys on the roster to making the tournament 14 months later. It’s way easier to rebuild in the Horizon league because there is no perennial power to compete against. The league is wide open.
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Post by frankiemeatballs on Mar 19, 2022 20:55:12 GMT -5
The key from that article is the buyout being $600,000. CSU has never been in this situation before and they need to capitalize.
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Post by ede on Mar 19, 2022 21:04:44 GMT -5
The key from that article is the buyout being $600,000. CSU has never been in this situation before and they need to capitalize. True. Smart move on Garrett's part.
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Post by ede on Mar 19, 2022 21:06:54 GMT -5
so then you got a rebuilding job all over again remember mid-majors don't bounce back the way high Majors do get ready for a sub 500 record. The Butler formula has proven to work What are you talking about? You just had a coach who went from 3 guys on the roster to making the tournament 14 months later. It’s way easier to rebuild in the Horizon league because there is no perennial power to compete against. The league is wide open. and how often does that happen? Even in the HL. And don't dare u dare say u saw Gates turning it around this fast.
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