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Post by theonetheonly on Mar 19, 2022 21:10:51 GMT -5
What are you talking about? You just had a coach who went from 3 guys on the roster to making the tournament 14 months later. It’s way easier to rebuild in the Horizon league because there is no perennial power to compete against. The league is wide open. and how often does that happen? Even in the HL. And don't dare u dare say u saw Gates turning it around this fast. Coaches rebuild way faster at the mid major level. Gonzaga is really the only mid major that has dominated its conference. Mid majors are always in flux because of the changes.
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Post by azvike83 on Mar 19, 2022 22:19:37 GMT -5
Has anyone actually seen an official announcement?
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Post by Admin on Mar 19, 2022 23:36:32 GMT -5
The key from that article is the buyout being $600,000. CSU has never been in this situation before and they need to capitalize. A couple of key things to watch/questions I have about this upcoming CSU coaching search: 1) Will the CSU administrative board or board of regents or whatever the name is for the people who control the university budget, will they allow the men’s basketball program to keep that same $500,000 base salary that Dennis Gates was paid? Or will that number be lowered? 2) What will they do with the $600,000 buyout? I’m just totally throwing an idea out there, but this would kinda seem like a good chunk of change to put towards a new scoreboard finally for the Wolstein Center.
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Post by Admin on Mar 19, 2022 23:42:56 GMT -5
Staying on topic though, what about Jermaine Kimbrough? When Felton was hired, John Parry never seriously considered him. The Gates hire was pretty rushed since it was almost August when the search was done. I just wonder abs kinda hope they would consider Kimbrough this time
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Post by ede on Mar 20, 2022 0:12:29 GMT -5
and how often does that happen? Even in the HL. And don't dare u dare say u saw Gates turning it around this fast. And how often does the Butler model work out for other mid-majors? Seriously, promoting an unproven assistant at the mid-major level probably fails 10x more often than it succeeds. One of your assistants might be the right choice to take over your program but your AD would be in dereliction of his duties if he didn't do a legit search and look at all available options. On a serious note, I am sorry you guys are losing your coach. It sucks being a fan of a mid-major program where you have to watch your coaches move on every time you have a little bit of success. Summers and Joyce help build the Culture. They deserve a shot. They've earned it.
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Post by user1 on Mar 20, 2022 4:23:39 GMT -5
Staying on topic though, what about Jermaine Kimbrough? When Felton was hired, John Parry never seriously considered him. The Gates hire was pretty rushed since it was almost August when the search was done. I just wonder abs kinda hope they would consider Kimbrough this time It's kinda hard to consider someone for a job that you didn't have at the time.
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Post by frankiemeatballs on Mar 20, 2022 8:31:38 GMT -5
Jermaine Kimbrough has a fascinating resume in terms of the coaches he’s worked with and the coaching trees he falls under.
03-04 CSU (DBO) under Garland (Izzo coaching tree) 04-05 UMass (DBO) under Steve Lappas 05-06 PFW under Dane Fife (Knight coaching tree) 07-08 - 14-15 CSU under Waters 15-16 Nevada under Musselman 16-17 - 18-19 Wyoming under Allen Edwards (Pitino coaching tree) 19-20 - 20-21 Loyola under Moser 21-22 ASU under Hurley (Coach K coaching tree)
He has one degree of separation from 4 of the greatest coaches of all time and was worked directly under a handful of the most successful contemporary mid major coaches in the business.
He also recruited Norris Cole, Bryn Forbes and Trey Lewis to CSU.
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Post by frankiemeatballs on Mar 20, 2022 8:34:18 GMT -5
Jermaine Kimbrough has a fascinating resume in terms of the coaches he’s worked with and the coaching trees he falls under. 03-04 CSU (DBO) under Garland (Izzo coaching tree) 04-05 UMass (DBO) under Steve Lappas 05-06 PFW under Dane Fife (Knight coaching tree) 07-08 - 14-15 CSU under Waters 15-16 Nevada under Musselman 16-17 - 18-19 Wyoming under Allen Edwards (Pitino coaching tree) 19-20 - 20-21 Loyola under Moser 21-22 ASU under Hurley (Coach K coaching tree) He has one degree of separation from 4 of the greatest coaches of all time and was worked directly under a handful of the most successful contemporary mid major coaches in the business. He also recruited Norris Cole, Bryn Forbes and Trey Lewis to CSU. Here’s a fun thought, how about a mashup of our two most successful staffs? Kimbrough as head coach with Sommers, Joyce and DiSempalare as assistants? (Coach D is out of coaching so I doubt he’d be an option).
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Post by ede on Mar 20, 2022 10:40:45 GMT -5
Summers and Joyce help build the Culture. They deserve a shot. They've earned it. I think you are giving your assistant coaches too much credit for what Gates has done at CSU the last 3 years. Look at Summers prior coaching experience. It really isn't very impressive. Summers has 1 prior stint as a head coach at D2 Urbana. In 3 seasons, his team went 20-66. After he left Urbana, he spent 2 years at James Madison as an assistant before joining Gates at CSU. James Madison went 24-41 in those 2 seasons. If he is such a culture building guy that deserves a shot at being your next head coach, hows come his last 2 teams lost 2/3 of the games they played? Dru Joyce had no coaching experience prior to joining your staff. Do you want to give the reigns to a guy that has only been an assistant coach for 3 years and has no prior head coaching experience? They helped bring in the Talent. Look at D. Valentine at Loyola? Linc Darner is from D2.
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Post by ac on Mar 20, 2022 12:45:41 GMT -5
I don't care about assistants staying this is about head coach. I hope they can find a guy that really wants to build the program up like Gates Said he wanted to do but in reality was just looking for a better job. It's important that Garrett continues to spend money to do this.
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Post by ede on Mar 20, 2022 13:31:09 GMT -5
They helped bring in the Talent. Look at D. Valentine at Loyola? Linc Darner is from D2. I think you are trying to help me prove my point. Your top assistant coach, Summers, NEVER coached for a winning program prior to becoming an assistant coach at CSU. Valentine was an assistant coach at Michigan State and Oakland prior to becoming an assistant for Loyola. All 3 of those programs were very successful while he was there. Linc Darner was a D2 national championship head coach before he took over at Green Bay. Head coaching experience matters and winning matters. If you think promoting one of your assistants keeps your team and recruiting class together I think you are going to be disappointed too. If you don't want to believe me, and I know you don't, I'd pay attention to the twitter accounts of some of your recruits over the coming days and weeks. Personally, I just hope you guys land a good coach. I'm sick of the HL sucking. I want our tournament champions to be 12-13 seeds and not in the play in game going forward. We only get there if schools hire good coach after good coach. Good luck in your pursuit of your next coach. it's amazing how St.Marys can keep Randy Bennett. Your Right thr HL and other Midmajors are getting bleed dry of quality coaches and players
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Post by theonetheonly on Mar 20, 2022 18:12:24 GMT -5
Kimbrough didn’t even get a courtesy interview last time. I would be surprised if he is in the running.
My assumption is the new coach is a name we don’t even know yet.
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Post by ede on Mar 20, 2022 18:59:20 GMT -5
Kimbrough didn’t even get a courtesy interview last time. I would be surprised if he is in the running. My assumption is the new coach is a name we don’t even know yet. He'll apply.
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Post by theonetheonly on Mar 20, 2022 19:57:12 GMT -5
Kimbrough didn’t even get a courtesy interview last time. I would be surprised if he is in the running. My assumption is the new coach is a name we don’t even know yet. He'll apply. You can apply doesn’t mean anything. I always liked Kimbrough personally. I would be excited for him to have the job. Would he be successful I have no idea but he might stick longer because he is from the area and he has moved a ton in his coaching career.
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Post by ede on Mar 20, 2022 20:00:05 GMT -5
You can apply doesn’t mean anything. I always liked Kimbrough personally. I would be excited for him to have the job. Would he be successful I have no idea but he might stick longer because he is from the area and he has moved a ton in his coaching career. I was thinking the SAMETHING. He might be able to keep our recruiting class intact especially the local recruits.
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Post by frankiemeatballs on Mar 20, 2022 20:12:02 GMT -5
I wonder how much the timing had to do with Kimbrough’s candidacy last time? He had just left Wyoming for Loyola and maybe didn’t want to back out of that commitment. I also wonder if Garrett had his own short list (most ADs do) and with the late opening he just moved quickly through that list. I don’t know, just speculation.
This time feels different. He’s added high major experience at ASU and he’s been there for a full season. I would imagine Kimbrough would apply and I think Garrett would be crazy not to give him an interview with his resume and local/CSU ties.
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Post by ede on Mar 20, 2022 22:18:58 GMT -5
I wonder how much the timing had to do with Kimbrough’s candidacy last time? He had just left Wyoming for Loyola and maybe didn’t want to back out of that commitment. I also wonder if Garrett had his own short list (most ADs do) and with the late opening he just moved quickly through that list. I don’t know, just speculation. This time feels different. He’s added high major experience at ASU and he’s been there for a full season. I would imagine Kimbrough would apply and I think Garrett would be crazy not to give him an interview with his resume and local/CSU ties. He has a very good resume. He deserves his shot.
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Post by ede on Mar 20, 2022 22:47:13 GMT -5
The more I read about Ben McCollum the more I like him.
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Post by Admin on Mar 20, 2022 22:56:38 GMT -5
The more I read about Ben McCollum the more I like him. I trust what other people think like FrankieMeatballs, TheOneTheOnly and user1 more than what I think, but Ben McCollum has won his conference 9 years in a row, and won 3 of the last 5 Division II national championships, including one undefeated wire to wire season. As far as coaching goes, it doesn’t get any more impressive than that. He will be 41 when next season starts. Young enough to be hungry to still want to build a winning team. The million dollar question is: Does having the most impressive success possible at Division II translate to Division I? This is where I need to defer to the posters I listed above because I do not know.
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Post by ede on Mar 21, 2022 0:05:19 GMT -5
The more I read about Ben McCollum the more I like him. I trust what other people think like FrankieMeatballs, TheOneTheOnly and user1 more than what I think, but Ben McCollum has won his conference 9 years in a row, and won 3 of the last 5 Division II national championships, including one undefeated wire to wire season. As far as coaching goes, it doesn’t get any more impressive than that. He will be 41 when next season starts. Young enough to be hungry to still want to build a winning team. The million dollar question is: Does having the most impressive success possible at Division II translate to Division I? This is where I need to defer to the posters I listed above because I do not know. [br Linc Darner and Future Hall of Famer Bruce Pearl proved that.
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Post by ede on Mar 21, 2022 0:13:53 GMT -5
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Post by ede on Mar 21, 2022 7:22:19 GMT -5
Strange how there's no official word yet.even the Twitter accounts of the players and recruits are hush hush. Is Garrett trying to out bid Missou for Gates? If so I don't see him winning that battle without deep pocketed boosters.Which CSU doesn't have.
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Post by azvike83 on Mar 21, 2022 7:30:10 GMT -5
Strange how there's no official word yet.even the Twitter accounts of the players and recruits are hush hush. Is Garrett trying to out bid Missou for Gates? If so I don't see him winning that battle without deep pocketed boosters.Which CSU doesn't have. I said this 2 days ago. If we don't hear official word today, something is happening behind the scenes for sure.
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Post by azvike83 on Mar 21, 2022 7:34:48 GMT -5
It hasn't happened yet.... Hoping somehow we can keep Coach Gates...
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Post by user1 on Mar 21, 2022 7:45:16 GMT -5
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Post by user1 on Mar 21, 2022 7:46:17 GMT -5
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Post by azvike83 on Mar 21, 2022 8:18:18 GMT -5
Looks like it is a done deal now, then...oh well, lets find the next Gates.
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Post by gbanks on Mar 21, 2022 10:44:20 GMT -5
The more I read about Ben McCollum the more I like him. I trust what other people think like FrankieMeatballs, TheOneTheOnly and user1 more than what I think, but Ben McCollum has won his conference 9 years in a row, and won 3 of the last 5 Division II national championships, including one undefeated wire to wire season. As far as coaching goes, it doesn’t get any more impressive than that. He will be 41 when next season starts. Young enough to be hungry to still want to build a winning team. The million dollar question is: Does having the most impressive success possible at Division II translate to Division I? This is where I need to defer to the posters I listed above because I do not know. You have to assume his current recruiting pipeline is DII and no DI. Not sure who he will bring with him. Given that Gates is leaving you can no longer assume our current recruits and team will remain. Brining this guy to Cleveland might be a cultural shock. I do like the track record.
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Post by mrhoops on Mar 21, 2022 11:16:50 GMT -5
McCollum has one hell of an impressive resume. Would love to see him in the mix, but I see some obstacles. He's an undergrad and grad alum of NWMS and he has a young family that's entrenched in the community. It's difficult to uproot in a situation like that. The money would have to be compelling for him to give up the community and professional security he has.
Regardless, he is definitely a great coach. Let's see what happens.
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Post by ede on Mar 21, 2022 14:05:12 GMT -5
McCollum has one hell of an impressive resume. Would love to see him in the mix, but I see some obstacles. He's an undergrad and grad alum of NWMS and he has a young family that's entrenched in the community. It's difficult to uproot in a situation like that. The money would have to be compelling for him to give up the community and professional security he has.
Regardless, he is definitely a great coach. Let's see what happens. he's a little bit younger than Gates, who has a wife and Young family too. Pretty much the same situation
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